• Daryl@lemmy.ca
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    13 hours ago

    I think there is a far more important reason for Canada to shift focus to China, that this article and comments on it completely miss. It’s not just about EV cars and market share. It’s about the fact that Chinese EV vehicles contain new technologies that the West desperately needs. Manufacturing them in Canada not only grows our manufacturing base, it also helps grow our research and development.

    Chinese research and development into the innovation of EV technologies is now in many areas far ahead of anything happening in America. We need licensing arrangements with these Chinese EV makers, or we will be left far behind. No matter what one’s opinion of the Chinese governance system, it can not be disputed that linking to and working with Chinese research and development institutions is the best way for Canada to advance into the technology of the future.

    The inarguable fact is, a significant portion of future technology is being developed in China, not America. China is investing huge sums of money into future tech. In fact, an entire city is dedicated to supporting a huge research facility in quantum physics, not just a University ‘wing’. America has not won a credible Nobel prize in physics in over three decades.

    The New World Order, as Carney put it is also about the complete turnaround in technology flow. No longer is the net flow of new technologies from America and the West into China, but the reality is now the flow is from China to the West, and the flow is rapidly increasing in significance. The world needs Chinese technology, arguably more than we will need American new technology.

    The Chinese EV technology is just the tip of the iceberg.

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    17 hours ago

    Agreeing with other comments, it is a Chinese domain and a Chinese news site so doesn’t necessarily reflect Canada as a whole.

    The article is talking about an n = 1570 study where 61% or people say they supported the trade deal with regards to EV (the article doesn’t specify whether the canola export portion of the deal may have influenced perceptions). All in all, it’s the other side of a trade deal pointing at roughly 1000 people saying they are for the deal and saying “see? Canada supports the deal”.

    All this said, had I been asked I would be in the “strongly support” camp (noted as 24% in the article). The EV tarrifs were not completely removed, but removed for up to 49000 total sales under a certain value per year. Those tariffs were put in place as a measure to a) dissuade the Americans from increasing tariffs against us and b) prevent cheaper Chinese EVs from undercutting Musk’s market share. The tariffs were increased anyways and why should we continue supporting that piece of trash.

    Do I think Chinese EVs will save the world? No. Do I think that China is an objectively good state? No. But I do think that removing those tariffs is a good thing.

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      14 hours ago

      The poll is by Leger (a well regarded Canadian pollster if unfamiliar) and was cited in numerous Canadian news articles. Like this one. This is just a Chinese outlet reporting on the same poll.

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        We shouldn’t downplay it by calling it a Chinese outlet like it’s news. It’s Chinese state propaganda.

        We should use the good source you cited instead of letting this Trojan horse through the gate.

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        I didn’t properly articulate this in my own comment, so thank you. Yes, the survey was done by an external source (again, I do personally agree with it’s findings), I was just highlighting the source of the article commenting on it.

        Different eyes looking at the same survey will see different things, and a journalist will highlight different things depending on a target audience. Given the Chinese domain (.cn) and English language, I personally assumed that it was focusing on highlighting improvements in Canadian general opinion towards Chinese trade and might downplay more neutral view points not to suppress them but because they’re not necessarily relevant to the point of the article.

        I view the article through the same lense I would view an American article or a German article on the same survey; as a third party commenting on a Canadian survey to bolster their own point. The important part is actually looking at the results of that Leger study (as you pointed out).

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      16 hours ago

      The US Canadian auto pact needed perturbing. Forcing Canadians to buy overpriced trucks while Europe enjoys actual cars that are efficient had to end. I hope this will extend to France and the Renault EVs.

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      16 hours ago

      This has nothing to do with EVs or some poll or your o mine opinion on any topic. The source is deliberately spreading anti-democratic, authoritarian propaganda. It ultimately aims at suppressing any freedom of opinion.

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    18 hours ago

    Maybe because people are nieve to the vary real downsides of such items. People will believe anything these days