Official response from EU Commission after attending invite only party hosted by lobbyists, attended by Ubisoft and other corpos
Open letter from SKG addressing EU Commision (aka industry/lobbyist talking points)
https://x.com/StopKilingGames/status/2062131784926519424
Video from YongYea if you’d like to listen to the situation
The SKG movement should become the Stop Buying Games movement if they don’t listen.
Gamers are less capable of self-control than heroin addicts. Trying to get them to stop buying games is a fools errand.
We can all start with ourselves, which is easier first step.
The only games I purchase are from GOG with 2 exceptions of 2 portal games on steam.
Looking at you sports and COD gamers 👀
I don’t get those two kinds of gamers. You’re paying over $100USD every year to continue to play fundamentally the SAME game. Just that ALL your progress and cosmetics/teams are essentially wiped and you have to spend hundreds of dollars to reacquire them. And they say some games are “too grindy.”
To this day I’ve still failed to talk my stepdad out of buying Madden games… even when they no longer work on Windows 10 (and of course Linux) so he’s having to upgrade… Sigh.
You kids these days have no respect
wife asks for 70 euro dress
beats wife
pays 70 euro for madden 20 reskin, plays madden
Boycotts don’t work when John Gamer spends hundreds of millions on microtransactions. I could never buy another EA Sports game for the rest of my life, and all it takes is one whale to wipe out ten of me boycotting. The economy of boycotting games is completely broken at scale when whales exist, and companies know how to cater to them.
But if the whale does not have 10 other people to play with and show off their whaling, then they won’t whale no more on that game.
You are the plankton accompanying the whale (wtf am I typing while shitting in the morning) even if you are not paying directly, you support the ecosystem. No other players to play with, then suddenly it’s a boring game.
This is why they put micro-transactions into single player games now 😅
I get your point but look at any harbor in the Mediterranean when an event comes to town, it’s full of super-yatchs. The rich will always be fine peacocking for each other, and yatch builders manage to stay in business just fine. I realize it’s a bit different since there’s a whole social aspect of the game, arguably the whole point is to play with others. I just don’t see the bean counters having that foresight.
I’d put more weight behind IP law, where if a company chooses to shut down an online game then it gets treated like abandonware and they cannot pursue fans who run their own servers. That does put the onus on the fans at the end of the day, but I think in the long run it would make companies more willing to appeal to a wider audience if we always had an open model to fall back to.
I support skg but also I stopped buying (aaa) games a long time ago, and I can’t be the only one. We’re the people who have enough disposable income but simply won’t support shit but beancounter managers are too stupid to realize it would be easy to get if they’d just show a little decency.
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Yeah. There was a statistic about Steam a while ago showing that the percentage of recent releases by playtime was steadily declining. People have their classics, they outgrow competitive games, they don’t want to upgrade their PCs as much with current prices. This was masked for a time by overall steady growth in the gaming sector, but this is slowing down.
No buy from gog and show that there is money in being consumer friendly
The Nazi storefront? How about just fuck all corps, either steal it or do the transaction directly with the devs.
How do you plan to do transaction with devs…
Take a look at stuff like Vintage Story and Bellum…or og Minecraft lmao. Did you think your comment through at all?
Edit: And Guild Wars 1+ 2 (soon to be 3 as well), and shitloads more I don’t even remember. There’s tons of games I buy directly from the devs. Or hell even join a patreon and support development like with Glory To The Heroes.
Edit 2: Tarkov and Ashes of Creation for some examples of shit games that offered direct transactions, don’t want to misrepresent this lol.
PayPal ofc. Wait, that gives Thiel money…
Or “Stop Renting Games” since we only get a digital license on most platforms that can be revoked.
EDIT: I need to watch the (looong) video linked below by MagnificentSteiner as this may be wrong.
This is not true. Don’t spread this false “you don’t own your games” narrative.
You buy a perpetual license for a copy of the game. It’s called a license because you are not buying the actual game but a copy. It’s exactly the same way other software works as well as music and other media.
The whole point of SKG is that we do own our games but publishers are trying to act otherwise.
Here, Ross who started SKG explains it better.
Nobody’s giving you a perpetual license to anything, even GOG, any license you’re “buying” can be revoked at any time for whatever reason they want.
That’s just not true. Inform yourself to save future embarrassment.
You are confusing licensing and terms of service.
This is very true. If Amazon shuts down tomorrow, you’ve forever lost that license to what ever software you rented.
You have no way of ever getting that license back, legally. You will have to rent said software somewhere else, even though the nomenclature on the website and everywhere else said “You bought this”
Which is far more patently false than what you’re saying.
It’s not. You’re just talking absolute nonsense and I’ll not spend anymore time talking to you ignorant naysayers.
Here, educate yourself… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw
So do tell me, Amazon folds tomorrow, how do you regain access to the video game or software you bought? It has drm btw
I think you’re both on the same side and find that there aren’t enough protections for consumers and that the existing ones are being ignored. You @Zoot@reddthat.com and @imecth@fedia.io are describing how things are currently working out in reality despite the laws, @MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip is describing how things are legally despite their disregard.
We can probably all agree that we need to enforce the existing laws and expand them.
Do you really own your game if it can be unilaterally taken away from you ? Copyright law is fucked and the software industry is happy with the status quo - no owning a license that’s behind dozens of pages of TOS is not owning a game.
I stopped buying and playing Ubisoft games years ago. Far Cry 4 I believe.
that’s decades
Think the last one I bought was Rayman Origins