• Foxer@lemmy.ca
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    The problem is the people leaving are the highly talented and valuable people economically speaking. The people that are staying are the low income low skill people who do not substantially increase our GDP per capita and in fact lower it

    This is going to be more and more of a problem.

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      Low income low skill people are still a net gain to society because they provide the secret ingredient that makes our economy function and grow: Demand. If their income is not enough to stimulate demand, that is because the minimum wage is too low.

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        Market economies are not built on demand. If all you have is demand then you have a failed economy because you will have runaway inflation the vast majority won’t be able to afford the things they need

        Which is precisely what’s happening in Canada. The housing market has exploded because there’s demand but not a sufficient supply. The strain on the medical systems is similar, demand increase faster than supply

        Essentially you got it backwards. The magic in a market economy is the supply, and it is the nature of section economy that supply will appear to try and fill in demand. Loweskilled glow paid workers artificially ruin that dynamic and demand winds up outpacing supply with disastrous results

        And their wages are too low because they’re not worth anything. The system operates on the concept of being paid a dollar for the creation of a dollar’s worth of value. To create higher value you need to have skills and abilities or assets which allow for that and that is exactly what is leaving Canada

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          Yes, market economies are built on demand. Neoclassical, supply side economics is a joke that centralizes wealth and destabilizes societies. It’s a failure.

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            No they are not. And as the reality of the situation proves that I’m right and you are wrong. So there you go

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              Yes they are, and the last 40 years of ever increasing wealth inequality totally discredits your economic philosophy. So there you go. Milton Friedman was a dumbass, make your peace with that fact.

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                The last 40 years proves I’m right even more 😆😆😆

                Sorry kid. Try reading a book instead of getting her education from Facebook. Demand exist in every economic model, capitalism addresses the supply sideit is that effort that makes things work. The ability to create products and services including ones that didn’t even exist before which creates new demand is what drives us. Demand is not what drives us immigrants don’t produce the supply necessary to meet the demand and that creates inflation and weakens the economy

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                  The last 40 years proves I’m right even more 😆😆😆

                  If you think extreme wealth inequality, stagnating wages, decreasing purchasing power for the average person, and the rise of reactionary politics is success. If, on the other hand, you are a reasonable person, you would think that’s a really pathetic failure. Kid.

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                    I didn’t say whether or not it was a success I said it proved me right. Wealth inequality is something that people that don’t understand how money works talk about. Whether or not someone else is richer than you has nothing to do with how rich you are. It’s not a measure that has any particular value. Reactionary politics has nothing to do with our financial system that’s something else.

                    And most of that is a product of the last 12 years or so. And much of that problem was created by an imbalance between the growth of our population and our lack of ability to supply the needs of that population. As I have already pointed out with regards to housing, medicine, education, etc.

                    And that becomes a cycle or death spiral where are inability to supply leads to inflationary pressure and low wages which leads to our inability to supply etc

                    So bringing in low-wage people in any way shape or form make the economy stronger. At best it can mask weaknesses and cover them up for a short time until they kind of blow up in your face.

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        This was one of the key points in the video. Their source is a TD Economics report, which in turn references a report from The Institute for Canadian Citizensihp:

        The Institute for Canadian Citizenship’s Leaky Bucket 2025 report shows that onward migration is highest among immigrants with doctoral degrees, strong earnings potential, and experience in management, ICT, engineering, and science based occupations. Within five years of entering Canada, highly educated immigrants are more than twice as likely to leave as lower skilled immigrants.

        https://economics.td.com/ca-silent-brain-drain

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          But… That’s fine? We would expect them to? They came here for education. That’s not skilled immigrants leaving, it’s customers going home with what they paid for

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            The skilled people are Citizens and PRs going to work in the US because the same jobs in Canada pay half as much with higher taxes.

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              That’s over now. Who wants to get a pricy Canadian degree just to go get rounded-up in America and maybe killed in the gulags?

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        You mean other than the ones you were already giving you sea lion? LOL

        Either make a counter argument or admit that I’m right even if you don’t like it. This kind of nonsense just makes you look bad

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        You could but not successfully 😁 Joking aside though there have been other instances of brain drains taking place in the past. I think to suggest that there’s been a consistent brain drain for that. Of time would be severely erroneous and there are definitely been times when we attracted people to Canada. But this is definitely one of the worst and we are seeing people leave for the record percent of them being exactly the kind of people we want to stay

        And it shows up in a lot of stats. Our GDP per capita is horrible and that’s one of the reasons, our investments climate is cored, etc etc. We have to find a way to reverse that and quickly

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      We’re still the most educated country on Earth by a good margin, so it’s hard to see it getting that bad.

      But yes, our immigration system is fucked. We select for all the best and brightest people, and then put them to work at Tim Hortons.

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        Unfortunately being educated is not in and of itself a protection from that kind of thing. As is easily seen by a cursory examination of the statistics. Our talented people are leaving and that is a major problem and worse Now intelligent people are just using Canada as a stepping stone with the intent of leaving shortly after they get here because it’s easier to get into countries like America from Canada than it is from some of the countries they come from.

        Either way we’re getting slaughtered