P2P / Mediasoup / LiveKit · Issue #76 · ancsemi/Haven
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What’s the rationale for using P2P over a solution like Mediasoup? I’m worried that P2P may not scale well for participants with weaker upload connections. I wouldn't mind testing or contributing t...

Keep P2P as the default for small rooms — that’s most servers most of the time and the no-extra-infra story is genuinely valuable for self-hosters.

[I] went mediasoup, built into Haven, after all. The two things that pushed my plan above toward LiveKit are gone now. It runs on one port instead of a whole range, and it downloads a ready-made build instead of compiling anything.

While the code is a slop hodgepodge, Haven is currently the only Discord clone I have found that makes it easy to selfhost; no extra open port except 443 80, single docker container, no extra database.

Website: https://haven-app.com/

  • drkt@scribe.disroot.orgEnglish
    141·
    8 hours ago

    I could rant about the slop but it’s pointless because the developers of this didn’t even understand why Discord alternatives never work out.

    • Bridging Discord without bots on Discord’s side is against Discord ToS, so don’t rely on that.
    • P2P is a great idea except it scares the hoes so you’ve cut 80% of your market off right there.
    • No federation so realistically everyone is gonna have to create and manage like 10 separate accounts for each of their friend groups, which even the most hardcore anti-Discord folks aren’t going to bother with.

    Also this is a promo post, however sneaky you try to make it. Tag appropriately.

    • aksdb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      4 hours ago

      Discord isn’t federated either and their tenancy is pretty strict (they even call it “servers” even though there is no actual server you create).

      In that regard Haven follows that more strictly: your “server” is an actual independent instance you host yourself. You can still link other servers to have basically the same UX as Discord where you can switch between servers from the sidebar.

    • UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nlOPEnglish
      31·
      8 hours ago

      I did tag it?

      Edit: I’ve now added it to the title too, I guess some clients don’t support piefed’s tags

    • UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nlOPEnglish
      11·
      8 hours ago

      You make a point on federation but Haven does allow you to login using sso from your own server.

      I guess it’s also about what you need, for a small server for a 3-12 friends it works fine where alternatives are total overkill to selfhost.

    • UiUiUiUiUi@piefed.nlOPEnglish
      22·
      3 hours ago

      Once i find a different discord clone thats this easy to selfhost I’ll switch to it immediately. Before commenting I’d urge you to try selfhosting the other clones its a minefield of ports which scares me off tbh

      • drkt@scribe.disroot.orgEnglish
        1·
        1 hour ago

        I’d urge you to try selfhosting the other clones

        Lady I got a decade of experience trying to get off Discord. I know.

        Matrix isn’t that hard if you can read, though, and it has actual users, and you get to control your account. It has other problems that make it non-viable.