As shitty and harmful our extraction methods are, they’re still better than some of the other countries. Which isn’t to say “I love clean coal” or some such nonsense.
All our fancy gadgets are using natural resources from “artisan mines” and warlords using slavery to make a dollar and we’re still using them. Some of us line up for hours to get the latest Apple Pod 9000+ every year 📱
Eco-warriors and elitist left wingers don’t like hearing counter points any more than those “change my mind…” type of Conservative grifters.
Bro, they want coal cuz they got over a billion people who need electricity. India’s gdp per capita in 2025 was $2,702 USian dollars, with massive income disparity.
Sell em coal, not a course on Western values and environmental concerns of privileged westerners.
I think we often overlay our own experiences on to other seemingly similar issues and forget how complex a lot of problems are. Changing energy infrastructure on a global scale is not the same as changing out your oil burning furnace at home.
It can be really difficult to have a rational conversation around these basic topics when they appear easily solvable.
The “build a fence” idea surrounding immigration springs to mind as a incredibley obvious example.
But even in this I’m being far too simplistic about the myriad factors that contribute to the outrage at your suggestion about coal.
I think too there is the matter of a echo chamber. The belief that everyone else’s experience is similar or is otherwise not that large a segment of the population and therefore not as deserving consideration.
Also, there is the classic I often fall victim to, the wanting to just be mad and not really have a discussion but go through the motions both understanding that you’re not truly having intellectual discorce but just wailing at the void together so as to not be so terrified all the time.
I honestly think this one happens quite a lot here and you largely got hate because you brought the gross part of reality to the table when others wanted to just have a group wail at the void.
I would love to be free of the grip of coal mining, Ive lived in coal towns and have a somewhat more fleshed out understanding then your average joe. The reality is that it’s not something that is likely to happen within most of our lifetimes. A movement towards more ethical practices is the direction, as you suggested, that we should be focusing our energy on… But man do I love tossing out an unthinking “fuck you” at the corrupt folks steering the world in self indulgent, misery laden, empaty void directions.
I…I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.
It’s mostly sarcasm.
As shitty and harmful our extraction methods are, they’re still better than some of the other countries. Which isn’t to say “I love clean coal” or some such nonsense.
All our fancy gadgets are using natural resources from “artisan mines” and warlords using slavery to make a dollar and we’re still using them. Some of us line up for hours to get the latest Apple Pod 9000+ every year 📱
I think you have been unjustly judged, it’s a fair point.
I appreciate that.
Eco-warriors and elitist left wingers don’t like hearing counter points any more than those “change my mind…” type of Conservative grifters.
Bro, they want coal cuz they got over a billion people who need electricity. India’s gdp per capita in 2025 was $2,702 USian dollars, with massive income disparity.
Sell em coal, not a course on Western values and environmental concerns of privileged westerners.
I think we often overlay our own experiences on to other seemingly similar issues and forget how complex a lot of problems are. Changing energy infrastructure on a global scale is not the same as changing out your oil burning furnace at home.
It can be really difficult to have a rational conversation around these basic topics when they appear easily solvable.
The “build a fence” idea surrounding immigration springs to mind as a incredibley obvious example.
But even in this I’m being far too simplistic about the myriad factors that contribute to the outrage at your suggestion about coal.
I think too there is the matter of a echo chamber. The belief that everyone else’s experience is similar or is otherwise not that large a segment of the population and therefore not as deserving consideration.
Also, there is the classic I often fall victim to, the wanting to just be mad and not really have a discussion but go through the motions both understanding that you’re not truly having intellectual discorce but just wailing at the void together so as to not be so terrified all the time.
I honestly think this one happens quite a lot here and you largely got hate because you brought the gross part of reality to the table when others wanted to just have a group wail at the void.
I would love to be free of the grip of coal mining, Ive lived in coal towns and have a somewhat more fleshed out understanding then your average joe. The reality is that it’s not something that is likely to happen within most of our lifetimes. A movement towards more ethical practices is the direction, as you suggested, that we should be focusing our energy on… But man do I love tossing out an unthinking “fuck you” at the corrupt folks steering the world in self indulgent, misery laden, empaty void directions.
Sorry if I blathered on, I appreciate your time!
Hope it’s going well today :))
Our neighbours kicked their president in the nuts. It’s a beautiful day! Lol.
So good!