AskewLord

So you speak for the vast majority of working class white guys? Interesting.

The irony also being, the vast majority of working class white guys, don’t go to college, let alone elite colleges.

Elite colleges where the far left ideologies that lemmyites adore, were created and established from which they spread.

Just because people don’t see something personally or directly, is a shitty way of evaluating other people. I’ve never seen a woman be raped. Does that mean rape doesn’t happen? That’s the logic you keep employing.

Or maybe I understand that rape happens, because I’ve been raped… no! men don’t get raped! that can’t be! You must be a liar because most men don’t get raped!

I’m blaming shitty people who hide behind their ideology because they think it’s fool proof and perfect and wonderful. When it in fact, it’s shit. It’s the same stinky shit as the far-right, just inverted. Far right hates women, far left hates men. Far right hate immigrants, far left hates native citizens. and so on and so on. Anytime you argue with a far right nutjob, or a far left nutjob, they make the same arguments and resort to the same tactics of character assassination.

The far right grows because it reaches out to people. The far left basically sits around smelling it’s own farts and claims they are all geniuses and they should never have to ever interact with non-leftists because they are all dirty and gross and wonders why more people aren’t on their side.

And all of what you said is a complete mischaracterization of my comments, to the point it seems you lack a basic comprehension of the English language.

I do understand. I understand that acknowledging the problematic behavior of leftists an their rhetoric, and how alienating it is to men, is not allowed because ti upsets the narrative that leftism is only ever good, and that the far right is only ever evil.

The far-right wins men over because it meets them where they are, and acknowledges the negativity in the world directed at them, and uses it to funnel them into the far-right. And they will win and win and win more over, until the left starts trying to acknowledge the legitimacy of their experiences and concerns, instead of engaging in a complete denial of them as being entirely dismiss-able based on their race and sex.

You completely missed the point.

All you care about is your agenda and you will ignore all testimony to the contrary as fake and false. Just like a MAGA.

I’ve never been beating to death by the police. No black friend I’ve ever had has either!

Clearly all those black guys who died from being beaten by the police, are liars! They must have done something to deserve having their neck leaned on until they died of asphyxiation! They must have deserved it! All those videos and court cases are clearly all lies and misinformation.

This is your logic and argumentation.

Yes you have. Your own blindness to your rudeness and harassment is mind-blowing. Nothing you do is wrong, deny deny deny. call other people names and demean them.

my data is the same place yours is.

all you can do is resort to harassment and name-calling. and you wonder why young men don’t want to hang out with leftists like yourself… lol you are the very problem the OG article talks about. Of course you would flip out at me and take it personally and your entire arguement is just ‘no that never happened and you can’t prove to me it did so i am smarter than you’

Just stick your head in the sand and smell your own farts like a good little leftist. than piss and moan as the right takes more and more power from you because they reach out to people and win them over.

No, they yelled at me because they were horrible shitty people. Who think their leftist beliefs are so pure and good that they can do no wrong and anyone who remotely resembles what they don’t like deserves to be assaulted. Let alone anyone who is critical of their absurdly pompous beliefs about themselves that they are saving the world by being angry and hateful.

Or I’m used to dealing with twats who lecture me about myself who know nothing about me.

Like you. You know nothing about me, and yet you’ve created this elaborate fiction in your mind about my psychology, my past, and a bunch of other shit.

You are the type of person I’m talking about who gets up in others faces and lectures them about how ‘wrong’ based on a few random tidbits about them. I make a claim, and you now make it your mission to create an elaborate fictional story about me to discredit me. Just like the idiots who scream at me at uni who ‘KNEW’ that I was evil because I had white skin and a penis.

Maybe you should be the one shuts up and listens to people’s stories and stops trying to discredit them because they don’t fit your political agenda. Perhaps you should learn some grace and humility toward other human beings instead of chomping at the bit when they try to articulate that the people you hate are just as human as you, instead of pathologizing them as hopeless damaged until they espouse whatever BS you think is ‘right’ and ‘healthy’.

Except when you join communities and they tell you to fuck off for having a penis and how you have ‘stolen’ your position from someone more deserving than you. Or how your very presence, going about your business bothering nobody, is ‘problematic’. Because you don’t count towards their diversity quota, even though you do because you’re poor. But admitting poor people isn’t something good… you have to be poor and queer so we can market you on social media and score virtue signal points.

The funny thing about the entire discourse about white guys is that they assume you are rich, and they want you if you are rich because they want your money. But as soon as anyone finds out you aren’t going to join their community and donate all your money, they expect you to fuck off because you are worthless to them. You are a drain on the system if you need help, and that ‘help’ only has worth if you are non-male and non-white. Poor white guys are basically told to fuck off and die because they only want to only help non-men and non-white people.

Yeah, you are not wrong. The content of media has radically changed from where it was a generation or two ago.

It also happens with class. Working-class people are no longer allowed to have any dignity or success in media. Everything is now upper middle class people or wealthy people and their emotional drama.

The people who believe in binaries are very real and everywhere. I live in Boston and I encounter it in person regular. You can’t go to a party here without someone white rich people bitching about how rich white people are all awful and they aren’t one of them… and these people are always raging hypocrites if you confront them.

because it violates their black and white world view that one one side is good and the other side is bad.

and when their sides doe shitty things, they start saying it can’t be bad, it must be the victim of the shitty thing that is bad.

or put more simply, it’s the view that anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Nazi.

because it’s true.

you are delusional if you think there aren’t hateful awful people on the left who think violence is a means to an end of theor political and social goals. lots of leftists here are insane people with insane views, that are often pro-violence, and pro-hatred. lots of those leftists are swept up hateful narratives about men, the working-class, and other identity group bullshit that they ironically also cling to as a means of asserting their own political/moral superiority.

being left/right has nothing to do with being a shitty and violent person. if you think it does, well I will assume you are one of the leftists who think’s violence and hatred are totally justified as long as it’s against your ‘enemies’.

and that’s cool man. go be an leftist extremist if you want. but if you pretend that it’s only a problem when the right wing does it, you’re no different than the right wingers you hate.

and your argument is guilt by assocation. ‘oh this other person said this thing i don’t like so therefore you are bad’. No. Right, and if right-wingers went on about how rape is bad, would any woman who talked about her expereince being raped also now be a right-winger? Jesus.

Frankly, I am talking about people exactly like you. You are the type of hateful angry leftist who is alienating people from your cause. Who dismiss and attack and harass anyone who doesn’t fit your overly simplistic narrative, with your crappy bad faith ‘arguments’. You take the ‘prove it’ flat earther bullshit approach, because it makes you feel BIG and SMART, because you’re completely the opposite.

No. Personal experience isn’t science. Your demand that I provide scientific proof of personal experience is absurd and just your bad faith way to totally dismiss it.

Can you prove to me with a scientific argument and data that you are leftist? Or that you are a true leftist? Or am I just supposed to ‘believe’ your self-reporting? I’m confident your sample size for your political beliefs and experiences consists of one.

Yep. Violence and death is great, when it’s against the people we don’t like. And bad when it’s against the people we do like.

And anyone who disagrees with us about who is good and bad, is a Nazi/fascist. But if we want to put people in camps and use the power of the state for violence and murder, it’s for good reasons!

You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren’t the same thing.

leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to ‘tear the system’ down rather than reform it as a social democracy.

Or you are the typical head in the sand leftist who totally denies how highly problematic much of your cohort is.

Because if I wast a good leftist, that would never happen to me right? I must be a closeted Nazi, right?

I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn’t have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I ‘don’t look leftist’, whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.

The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be ‘reformed’ of your whiteness and maleness.

More economics, less identity politics.

liberal leftist discourse generally approaches men with the assumption they are already awful and must be reformed. especially if you are white and working-class. You are an ignorant sexist horrible person, until you have jumped through their hoops and read the relevant literature.

the white working-class guy is painted as a prototypical right-wing/nazi type, so if you have any of these traits, you are ‘guilty’ by default in the eyes of leftists. esp fediverse leftists.

ego stoking is how you get anyone to join your side. leftists blame other people for their own issues too, and stokes up their base by saying they are the only ‘good’ people.

Nazis are willing to meet men where they are.

leftist/liberals are not.

Why is it that men find Nazis more appealing, I wonder? It’s almost as if you treat people well they are more interested in hearing what you have to say…