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  • So my setup rigjt now:

    • vps with headscale
    • all devices connect to it
    • in my home lab a vm running a tailscale client and a reverse proxy with a Wildcard cert
    • all other services run as their own VMS and the proxy routes to them
    • i have a dmz (not yet public) running a proxy with tailscale again for a different domain
    • dmz runs a authentik vm which i use for access controll and user management
    • backup Server connects to tailscale as well and proxmox pushes zfs snapshots every day

    My long term goal is to move to pangolin as a reverse proxy on the vps and tailscale alternative and remove tailscale, as i find its very battery inefficient on Android (no subnet Router etc).

    So i just give people access to the VPN and send them an authentik invite and thats it. With pangolin i dont even have to give them a VPN access anymore, it can be done via authentik i think.

    A vps is 3-6€ and the tailscale standard is 10€ so its even cheaper, but a bit more setup to maintain. But it allows a ton of users :) so i guess this would be the smallest change with the highest impact

    Authentik is nice to have but a pain to set up as the oicd stuff can be tricky. Immich was super ez, nextcloud was OK, docspell was a pain and ocis does not work with authentik becsuse they use different architectures for sso. (Ocis and authentik are a bit dumb here)


  • Haha i get that. I feel like proxmox backup server is really great together with proxmox though. And idk but I feel like there is not too much to do wrong? Correct me if you think differently, but we use a mirrored hdd zfs pool on pbs and pve, so we have 4 copies plus snapshots ob the backup server. So harddrive failure is not really a problem. And deleting or corrupting files or databases manually on accident can happen, but they can be revived sometimes or restored from last nights backup And yes, the backup server could die, but the drives should be fine still. And yes, it can burn down but then you have a mirrored drive on the home lab. I think its rather difficult to delete stuff on the bps on accident. I would just not delete anything manually. If its too full, either increase the pruning job for old snapshots or just put in a mother pair of drives.

    Maybe I am cheap but its also fun I think. Also I feel like my data is actually mine now?


  • To throw in yet another opinion that does not help you right now: My friend has a backup server at his place and I have our home lab at my place.

    Just a rough calculation: 2 8tb drives for a mirror is 150€ each (during a normal market, and when we bought it), so 300 combined. That is 60€per year if we assume they die quickly after 5years.

    With a very light old desktop pc that is power efficient we can reach 25w

    That is: 25w/1000 (for kW) * 24h * 365d * 0.35€/kW = 78€ per year of energy.

    That is combined 138€/year.

    The hetzner storage box is 24€/Month @ 10tb

    So that is 288€/year.

    So I would argue that its even cheaper to pay a friend to put a small old pc at their place and paying them 40ct /kwh is still cheaper than the clouds? Assuming you can find hdds at a reasonable price. But I could find cheap used offers with a runtime of 3y for 100€.

    If you only need 1tb, its not worth it to run your own storage, as the power stays roughly the same:

    Hetzner: 3,8€/1tb * 12m = 46.6€ So allone the power of running the backup server is not worth it financially.

    For the 5tb plan: 12€*12m=144€ so that is the break even point I assume, as drives don’t scale too mich with price?