Ukraine’s parliament democratically voted to remove Yanukovych from power. A new presidential election was held, and Poroshenko democratically won.
Black flag nazi shooting of protestors blamed on Yanukovych forced him to flee. US caught on tape installing new government. Poroshenko was backed by oligarchist media empire and US, and lost to nazi-lite peace promises from Zelensky. Even more than Canada, US puppet nazis were the only candidates that could win.
Russia claims Ukraine was committing genocide against ethnic Russians, but I’ve never seen any evidence for this claim.
Nazi problem in Ukraine was western daily news post 2014. 15000 dead in Donbass. US congress even voted to stop direct funding of Azov Battalion, because it was too obvious.
Do you have evidence to show that Ukraine is systematically murdering Jews, like the Nazis did?
Ukraine had volunteer SS divisions in WW2 (war criminals we give standing ovations to) that enthusiastically ran Jewish extermination camps for Germany, but also genocided other ethnic villages in west of Ukraine, while fighting Soviets (the core nazi ideology) with Germany. Post 2014 US puppet regime has ideology based on being the losing side of WW2. Just as white/christian supremacy in the US accepts/promotes Zionist/Israel first rule over the US, Zelensky’s rule/survival depends on serving nazi/CIA establishment ambitions.
Poroshenko was elected by Ukrainians. Then Zelenskyy was elected in 2019.
nazi-lite peace promises from Zelensky
“Nazi-lite” to me would mean some discrimination against Jews, without killing them all in camps, I suppose. What discrimination against Jews did Zelenskyy promise?
Like I said in my previous post: why can’t Russia just leave Ukraine alone? Ukrainians seem to just want to live in peace without Russia trying to kill them or subjugate them.
US congress even voted to stop direct funding of Azov Battalion
Azov has had far-right connections. Russia has their own fighting units with far-right connections, like the Rusich Group. In neither case does that mean the government of either country is a Nazi government.
enthusiastically ran Jewish extermination camps for Germany, but also genocided other ethnic villages in west of Ukraine
WW2 was a long time ago. Germany was a Nazi state at the time, but that doesn’t mean Germany is a Nazi state now.
TLDR: You haven’t provided evidence to show that Ukraine is a Nazi state which was committing “ethnic cleansing” or genocide of ethnic Russians. To me it seems those claims are nonsense. They seem to be complete fabrications, invented by the Kremlin to justify their imperialist invasion of Ukraine.
“Nazi-lite” to me would mean some discrimination against Jews,
The dominant ethnic hatred of Ukrainian nazis are Russians. What makes them literal nazis are their WW2 nostalgia, including war criminal heroes given national holidays.
The reason the conflict happened is because Russian troops invaded the Donbas and tried to take over the area by force.
US nazi coup of 2014, and persecutory policy, resulted in autonomy request from Donbas’s regional governance. Russia was invited to help.
Ukrainians seem to just want to live in peace without Russia trying to kill them or subjugate them.
Ukrainians have been allowed to vote against nazi regime even in local elections. Nazi regime just wants the bribes to continue to flow until the last Ukrainian. Of all Russia’s perfectly normal/reasonable conditions for peace, denazification is the one the West will never allow, because of how much we value, subjugate ourselves to, US empire’s big lies. It’s not just a massive moral failure in that our values are only demonic nazi gaslighting for US empire subjugation, but it is also a massive strategic failure in that Russia is forced to expand its military production/power very significantly because of reality of a war against it is fully understood by its people, while we just pretend nazi, or liberal supremacist (same result), warmongering evil is deserved. The dumb shit you say, doesn’t carry through to economic collapse and military drafts, we can hope. But Carney’s “Rupture, and stop supporting lies” speech has to follow up with calling out the big lies, instead of still sleep walking through a “force amplification mission against the real free world”. The lie that Ukraine war we supported would cause Russia to collapse, made it a war on Europe, for stronger US capture of Europe with extortionist energy and weapons sales, while strengthening Russia, and permitting further fearmongering and weapons extortion of EU, as long as the lie is permanent.
Azov has had far-right connections. Russia has their own fighting units with far-right connections, like the Rusich Group. In neither case does that mean the government of either country is a Nazi government.
2014 Ukraine coup, had US put in power those from nazi political parties. Not from Maidan liberals. The nazi laws, and insulting holidays, make it a nazi government. The funding and support of nazi paramilitaries ethnic cleansing operations was merely an “international law loophole” for nazi regime to do nazi things. You’re trying to say that “conservative ethnic supremacists” may be motivated to join national militaries, but then reactionary anti-fascist resistance such as Black Panthers or Hamas motivations, are also nazis. The structural integration into regimes as the paid sword of fascism makes all the difference in classification, as opposed to mere ethnic hatred motives of soldiers.
They seem to be complete fabrications, invented by the Kremlin to justify their imperialist invasion of Ukraine.
Kremlin spent 8 years pursuing peaceful resolution through Minsk accords, and are the side that have provided easy offramps to peace that only nazi evil clinging to nazification would reject. You cannot contort reality to deny this, and prosper. You diminish yourself and nation by tolerating the lies.
I read your post but it’s just not true. Ukraine is clearly NOT a Nazi state. Is Zelenskyy a Nazi? Is he rounding up all the Jews in death camps? Is he rounding up ethnic Russians in death camps? No he isn’t. Why are you defending Russia’s attempted imperial conquest of Ukraine?
You can point to some far-right soldiers in Azov, just like I can point to far-right Russians in the Rusich Group, or far-right Germans in the AfD. None of those countries are Nazi countries though, just because they have some far-right/Nazi people within each country. Do you think Germany’s current government is a Nazi government, just because some neo-Nazis exist in Germany? That logic does not make sense.
Is he rounding up all the Jews in death camps? Is he rounding up ethnic Russians in death camps?
You’re overly fixated on anti-Jew identity/action as definition of Nazi. Hitler disliked Jews for 2 reasons. Perceived Zionist treason in WW1 to get UK/US involved in war, and 2 Soviet/Communism thought leadership was Jewish. In 1933 election, Communist party gained official opposition, and NDSAP economic policies were identical to Reagan’s “trickle down” voodoo economics, but labelled socialist only because communism was “so hot at the time”.
Ideology ruling Ukraine, thanks to US/CIA, would murder all Russians if they could.
Why are you defending Russia’s attempted imperial conquest of Ukraine?
Russia is the only side that has offered any peace plans. Completely reasonable red lines, the US insisted wouldn’t matter. There is zero basis to call Ukraine war “Russian imperialism”. Red Army marching to Berlin doesn’t mean they started that conflict either.
To OP, when you oppose denazification of Ukraine, you support all US empire rule and lies. “Middle powers” can’t afford to hate all of the major powers simultaneously.
Ideology ruling Ukraine, thanks to US/CIA, would murder all Russians if they could.
If you believe this then show that Zelenskyy was having all ethnic Russians in Ukraine rounded up and murdered between his election in 2019 and the increase of the Russian invasion in February 2022. I don’t think you can show that, because I don’t think it was happening.
Completely reasonable red lines, the US insisted wouldn’t matter. There is zero basis to call Ukraine war “Russian imperialism”.
Russia’s demands are the subjugation of Ukraine to Russia, and also the seizure of some of Ukraine’s land to be incorporated into Russia. This is naked imperialism.
when you oppose denazification of Ukraine, you support all US empire rule and lies
As I said before, there are some far-right people in Ukraine, just like there are in Russia, and Germany, and France, etc, but that doesn’t mean Ukraine’s government is a Nazi government. As for the US empire, Trump wants to give less and less support to Ukraine. I think it would make no sense to claim that Ukraine is fighting on behalf of American interests. Ukraine is fighting for the right to keep their land and make their own democratic political decisions without being subjugated by Russia.
show that Zelenskyy was having all ethnic Russians in Ukraine rounded up and murdered between his election in 2019 and the increase of the Russian invasion in February 2022
Within his power, he was trying. Even as his election campaign was to stop the nazi terrorism and implement Minsk accords, he did no such thing, and in fact as Russia got angrier and massed troops along the border in 2022, he directly had UKR military increase shelling and murder operations in Donbas. Forcing Russian humanitarian action.
Russia’s demands are the subjugation of Ukraine to Russia
Categorically false. Since beginning, no NATO (or US missile bases), and no nazis. That is not subjugation. West needing nazis to subjugate Ukrainian people to die for nazi bribes to the last Ukrainian is far more damaging to people than exterminating their nazi rulership.
Ukraine is fighting for the right to keep their land and make their own democratic political decisions without being subjugated by Russia.
Also categorically absurd. Suicidal Russophobia nazi scum have reduced GDP by over 75%, mass emigration, and destruction of country purely for western bribery in failed attempt to diminish Russia. The most evil and stupid war in history, IMO. Yes, including Hitler/Napoleon, who could have made some reasonable calculation of enhancing Germany, even if it was disastrous. Georgia and Ukraine CIA coups, with full colonial support, are simply pure demonic evil, but also relevant, backfiring to weaken the empire.
Black flag nazi shooting of protestors blamed on Yanukovych forced him to flee. US caught on tape installing new government. Poroshenko was backed by oligarchist media empire and US, and lost to nazi-lite peace promises from Zelensky. Even more than Canada, US puppet nazis were the only candidates that could win.
Nazi problem in Ukraine was western daily news post 2014. 15000 dead in Donbass. US congress even voted to stop direct funding of Azov Battalion, because it was too obvious.
Ukraine had volunteer SS divisions in WW2 (war criminals we give standing ovations to) that enthusiastically ran Jewish extermination camps for Germany, but also genocided other ethnic villages in west of Ukraine, while fighting Soviets (the core nazi ideology) with Germany. Post 2014 US puppet regime has ideology based on being the losing side of WW2. Just as white/christian supremacy in the US accepts/promotes Zionist/Israel first rule over the US, Zelensky’s rule/survival depends on serving nazi/CIA establishment ambitions.
the basic history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs&list=PLNQnk4gBLrOQRsfoG3LV0AaFI1eMoo1VQ&rco=1
Poroshenko was elected by Ukrainians. Then Zelenskyy was elected in 2019.
“Nazi-lite” to me would mean some discrimination against Jews, without killing them all in camps, I suppose. What discrimination against Jews did Zelenskyy promise?
Wikipedia says that about 6,500 deaths were sustained by Russia’s side during the war in the Donbas between 2014 and 2022. That’s a military conflict though, NOT an ethnic genocide, as Russia claims. The reason the conflict happened is because Russian troops invaded the Donbas and tried to take over the area by force.
Like I said in my previous post: why can’t Russia just leave Ukraine alone? Ukrainians seem to just want to live in peace without Russia trying to kill them or subjugate them.
Azov has had far-right connections. Russia has their own fighting units with far-right connections, like the Rusich Group. In neither case does that mean the government of either country is a Nazi government.
WW2 was a long time ago. Germany was a Nazi state at the time, but that doesn’t mean Germany is a Nazi state now.
TLDR: You haven’t provided evidence to show that Ukraine is a Nazi state which was committing “ethnic cleansing” or genocide of ethnic Russians. To me it seems those claims are nonsense. They seem to be complete fabrications, invented by the Kremlin to justify their imperialist invasion of Ukraine.
The dominant ethnic hatred of Ukrainian nazis are Russians. What makes them literal nazis are their WW2 nostalgia, including war criminal heroes given national holidays.
US nazi coup of 2014, and persecutory policy, resulted in autonomy request from Donbas’s regional governance. Russia was invited to help.
Ukrainians have been allowed to vote against nazi regime even in local elections. Nazi regime just wants the bribes to continue to flow until the last Ukrainian. Of all Russia’s perfectly normal/reasonable conditions for peace, denazification is the one the West will never allow, because of how much we value, subjugate ourselves to, US empire’s big lies. It’s not just a massive moral failure in that our values are only demonic nazi gaslighting for US empire subjugation, but it is also a massive strategic failure in that Russia is forced to expand its military production/power very significantly because of reality of a war against it is fully understood by its people, while we just pretend nazi, or liberal supremacist (same result), warmongering evil is deserved. The dumb shit you say, doesn’t carry through to economic collapse and military drafts, we can hope. But Carney’s “Rupture, and stop supporting lies” speech has to follow up with calling out the big lies, instead of still sleep walking through a “force amplification mission against the real free world”. The lie that Ukraine war we supported would cause Russia to collapse, made it a war on Europe, for stronger US capture of Europe with extortionist energy and weapons sales, while strengthening Russia, and permitting further fearmongering and weapons extortion of EU, as long as the lie is permanent.
2014 Ukraine coup, had US put in power those from nazi political parties. Not from Maidan liberals. The nazi laws, and insulting holidays, make it a nazi government. The funding and support of nazi paramilitaries ethnic cleansing operations was merely an “international law loophole” for nazi regime to do nazi things. You’re trying to say that “conservative ethnic supremacists” may be motivated to join national militaries, but then reactionary anti-fascist resistance such as Black Panthers or Hamas motivations, are also nazis. The structural integration into regimes as the paid sword of fascism makes all the difference in classification, as opposed to mere ethnic hatred motives of soldiers.
Kremlin spent 8 years pursuing peaceful resolution through Minsk accords, and are the side that have provided easy offramps to peace that only nazi evil clinging to nazification would reject. You cannot contort reality to deny this, and prosper. You diminish yourself and nation by tolerating the lies.
I read your post but it’s just not true. Ukraine is clearly NOT a Nazi state. Is Zelenskyy a Nazi? Is he rounding up all the Jews in death camps? Is he rounding up ethnic Russians in death camps? No he isn’t. Why are you defending Russia’s attempted imperial conquest of Ukraine?
You can point to some far-right soldiers in Azov, just like I can point to far-right Russians in the Rusich Group, or far-right Germans in the AfD. None of those countries are Nazi countries though, just because they have some far-right/Nazi people within each country. Do you think Germany’s current government is a Nazi government, just because some neo-Nazis exist in Germany? That logic does not make sense.
You’re overly fixated on anti-Jew identity/action as definition of Nazi. Hitler disliked Jews for 2 reasons. Perceived Zionist treason in WW1 to get UK/US involved in war, and 2 Soviet/Communism thought leadership was Jewish. In 1933 election, Communist party gained official opposition, and NDSAP economic policies were identical to Reagan’s “trickle down” voodoo economics, but labelled socialist only because communism was “so hot at the time”.
Ideology ruling Ukraine, thanks to US/CIA, would murder all Russians if they could.
Russia is the only side that has offered any peace plans. Completely reasonable red lines, the US insisted wouldn’t matter. There is zero basis to call Ukraine war “Russian imperialism”. Red Army marching to Berlin doesn’t mean they started that conflict either.
To OP, when you oppose denazification of Ukraine, you support all US empire rule and lies. “Middle powers” can’t afford to hate all of the major powers simultaneously.
If you believe this then show that Zelenskyy was having all ethnic Russians in Ukraine rounded up and murdered between his election in 2019 and the increase of the Russian invasion in February 2022. I don’t think you can show that, because I don’t think it was happening.
Russia’s demands are the subjugation of Ukraine to Russia, and also the seizure of some of Ukraine’s land to be incorporated into Russia. This is naked imperialism.
As I said before, there are some far-right people in Ukraine, just like there are in Russia, and Germany, and France, etc, but that doesn’t mean Ukraine’s government is a Nazi government. As for the US empire, Trump wants to give less and less support to Ukraine. I think it would make no sense to claim that Ukraine is fighting on behalf of American interests. Ukraine is fighting for the right to keep their land and make their own democratic political decisions without being subjugated by Russia.
Within his power, he was trying. Even as his election campaign was to stop the nazi terrorism and implement Minsk accords, he did no such thing, and in fact as Russia got angrier and massed troops along the border in 2022, he directly had UKR military increase shelling and murder operations in Donbas. Forcing Russian humanitarian action.
Categorically false. Since beginning, no NATO (or US missile bases), and no nazis. That is not subjugation. West needing nazis to subjugate Ukrainian people to die for nazi bribes to the last Ukrainian is far more damaging to people than exterminating their nazi rulership.
Also categorically absurd. Suicidal Russophobia nazi scum have reduced GDP by over 75%, mass emigration, and destruction of country purely for western bribery in failed attempt to diminish Russia. The most evil and stupid war in history, IMO. Yes, including Hitler/Napoleon, who could have made some reasonable calculation of enhancing Germany, even if it was disastrous. Georgia and Ukraine CIA coups, with full colonial support, are simply pure demonic evil, but also relevant, backfiring to weaken the empire.