Following the events in Iran, Alexandre Boulerice, NDP Foreign Affairs Critic, issued the following statement:
"The NDP strongly condemns the American and Israeli bombings of Iran. This is a dangerous escalation that risks dragging the entire region into a major conflict. The oppressive and bloody regime of the Ayatollahs is reprehensible, but its nuclear program must be managed through the United Nations and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). In fact, its Director General, Mr. Grossi, recently indicated that he was working with the Iranian administration to resume inspections and reiterated that there could be no solution other than a diplomatic one.
The NDP deplores the Carney government’s decision to blindly support this dangerous venture by Israel and Donald Trump’s administration. We want Canada to be a voice for diplomacy, peace, and international law."
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This part is really where Carney fucked up.
its nuclear program must be managed through the United Nations and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
I’ve seen a lot of people defend Carney by saying the regime is bad and the problematic nuclear program. In a world of law and order no country should be allowed to singularly make decisions on how these things are handled or just bomb countries whenever they want.
Carney specifically naming America and applauding their actions shows his hypocrisy. Law and order is only a thing when they’re used to benefit him.
Well that’s succinctly put, I didnt really understand the gravity of Carneys action. By supporting Trump hes supporting the exact same thing his speech was supposedly calling out, US hegemony and a disregard for the international order, which makes it seem more like sloganeering to attempt to garner a majority than actual principle or good faith.
Ok so… Here my thinking, let’s wait for isreal and the US to finish because Franky nobody can stop them even if we wanted to, then we’ll count the dead.
Who’s killed more innocent Iranians this year, Iran’s regime or Donald’s invasion. something tells me it’ll be irans regime
It’s not nice at all but frankly I’ll be happy know a religious state will be gone and won’t be making nuclear weapons anymore, now we just need to push isreal back into its city…
oh and stop accepting they’re help, those genocidal freaks will not be of help to you over-throwing iran
How about the religious regime in israel comiting genocide and talk about exterrmination? The 70k death is confirmed in Gaza unlike the brutal iranian regime estimations
completely not true, Iran has killed far more over its regime then Isreal has during its invasion, also 70k seem rather low for gaza, fairly sure its higher then that but irans toll over the years likely excess that.
don’t try to get smart with me, terror orgs aren’t known for mercy and quite a swath of human life was cut short by Irans various terror cells, not to mention the massacre that took place bearly a month ago, utter fools.
Gaza health ministry has a history of accuracy . Randoms organizations that can’t agree with the number of people massacring in Iran should be taken with a grand of salt.
Nobody did more terror then the united snakes and Israel. Netanyahu compared Gazans to amalek. The amalek verse is one of the most disgusting thing you will ever read
Now go and attack the Amalekites and devote to destruction all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.
You pretend to oppose religious extremist but here you are backing Jewish extremism which do not represent the jews and the most Christian backed American government war of aggression on Iranians knowing very well that they intentionally kill kids like yesterday in a girl elementary school they killed 150 godamn girls. Bombing the people they pretend to come to save
Fuck off with your tear jerking bullshit, you have no fucking idea what I think little sheep, 5000 got murked in one go by that dead prick of a leader and now hes gone, good, wonder how many family with kids lost there parents or lost someone who was taking care of them during that little exchange, not to mention the years of rule under the regime, kneejerk.
you all seem to be unable to disengage yourself from Isreal. you go stop them then since you and your soap box seem to be able to make the world turn. my “backing” is an understanding of reality, big player do what they want, were currently watching what carney was talking about during his middle power speach play out in real time. why am i not screaming about isreal? because i know it wont change anything, I cant make donald not be stupid in letting isreal “help”. They don’t have troops on the ground so im not worried about another gaza for now, these citizens also seem to want the be free from the regime, which is why im not as critical of the invasion since the people literally asked for help.
I accept reality for what it is and frankly things could be worse. i don’t like religious states at all and Isreal is currently providing a prefect example of why, i cant stop people from being monsters, its not like i asked Netanyankydoodle to do this or be here but im happy whenever i see a theocracy fall.
Now you showed your true color genocide supported. You just an hypocrite
and your just a little bitch that cant accept people think different from them and dont want to get drawn into religious fight.
I can make things up too, you pedophile.
you all seem to be unable to disengage yourself from Isreal.
They are committing a goddamn genocide and say we want all Palestinians exterminated or expulsed, the usa is responsible of millions of death but here you are believing that they will save Iranians from the regime. So get the hell out of here with your dumb BS and stop licking to Carney the ultimate bullshitter
if you feel so strongly about it, go throw your life away over it pedo.
If/when this school bombing gets certified Carny is going to look like a right fucking tool for his endorsement of Israel and its lapdog.
This is a much better worded statement from the NDP.
Unfortunately Carney is stuck in a harder position. The NDP is free to make statements like this because they have no real significance, but Carney is still trying to thread the needle with the Americans on various trade matters so he can’t go straight to negative statements.
I don’t like it, this is the first time I’ve found myself seriously disagreeing with something Carney said, but at the same time I can’t really fault him too badly. Ultimately it’s more important what governments do rather than what they say, so we’ll see if Canada continues to stay firmly out of this one.
This. Diplomacy with an unhinged neighbour is taking steps to decouple, while giving trump the ego stroke he looks for.
He could have made a simple statement urging calm and restraint. No need to take sides.
Not with the isreal lobby pulling the world leaders strings. Could use Donald to attack Canada for not helping them, you’ve seen isreal lash out at those who don’t support them.
Nah that’s a silly antisemitic trope, refuted easily by the simple fact that Canada recognized Palestine a few months ago.
It is not antisemetic trope progaganda. Recognition means nothing when you deny that occupation and genocide is real, when you do nothing against occupied land being sold in canadian synaguoges, whrn you have idf soldiers speaking in canadian schools and ehen you deny paledtinians right under internstional laws like having the right to an army and the right to return .
He is even lying about the embargo on arms to israel
Saying that Israel controls the world’s governments is an antisemitic trope that is entirely unnecessary for condemning Israeli apartheid and the Gaza genocide. I brought up the recognition of Palestine not to say that Canada has a pro-palestinine policy, but to make the simple point that our policy is not controlled by Israel (if we were, we would not have done it).
Does there exist a big pro-israel bias in western mainstream politics? Yes. But that is not *control". Control implies absolute power on the part of the controller and lack of agency on the part of the controlled.
Saying that Israel controls the world’s governments is an antisemitic trope that is entirely unnecessary for condemning Israeli apartheid and the Gaza genocide.
No it is not . Israel do not represent all jews and will never do. Let start for the start even before the creation of the state Zionists who create the state killed multiple jews they ever directly ordered the assassination of an anti Zionist jew journalist named Jacob Israël de Haan. Many jews at that time even rejected the idea of a Jewish state is necessary especially not one created by ethnically cleansing the local population . Israel did sterilize Ethiopian jews unvoluntary, you can also see how they call some other jews with the term self hating jews and you can see videos of Israeli police attacking anti occupation jews
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cw6NWdg-nT0
So based on all of the facts saying Israel control a country is not antisemitic although I disagree with those people who believe it
I brought up the recognition of Palestine not to say that Canada has a pro-palestinine policy, but to make the simple point that our policy is not controlled by Israel
Words with no action and without acknowledging the nature of the conflict is called hypocrisy my friend. Everybody know that Palestine is occupied and the nature of occupation is a settler colonialism one so why did it take 78 years to finally pretend to support recognition of Palestine. It is a shame that many got fooled by politicians words. A state with not all it’s right that international laws give them is not a real state . Carney is saying that the victims of settler colonialism should not have an army to defend itself when it is free but Israel have just to return part of the west bank and nothing else.
Netenyahu as the head of the government decided to put extremists like ben gvir in his government. Netenyahu as the head of the government is the one who is approving more settlements aka colonies so he bring more settlers that are harrasing, beating and killing west bankers so the sanctions just be on Netenyahu himself and the state of Israel. Carney did not ask to investigate the selling of west bank occupied land in Canadian synagogues All of this show that Carney is lying about opposing settlements
Here 18 years of documentation of Israel crimes by an israeli human right organization
Here’s the thing though: Israel would not exist without the US, but the US would exist without Israel.
So, the idea that it’s some (((Israeli puppet masters))) controlling the US, rather than the US being ultimately in charge, is indeed an antisemitic trope — one which we are seeing pushed by US far-right influencers who, wouldn’t you know it, are rabid antisemites.
Edit: I do agree however that Canada’s recognition of the Palestinian state was pretty hollow
Conflating antisemitism with antizionism is what is realty antisemitic. Israel have Muslims and Christians who some even agree with the policies of occupation and are joining the occupation force. So the idea that saying Israel is doing this is antisemites is some BS .
Are you denying that aipac is not influencing congressman and put pressure on them to agree with Israel policies of settler colonialism? Do you really think there is no similar lobby in Canada that try to shut down anti occupation supporters?
I agree israel do not control the USA it is about serving their own perspective evil interests but people who don’t see that are not necessarly antisemitic but just naive and think usa support for israel is unconditionally for no reasons
Hmm true, maybe they were making nukes then… I seriously doubt at this stage carney would want to work with the US on anything with Donald around,
If he can talk about the issues of American hegemony at Davos, he can hold true to that word in a statement like this.
Oh no, the U.S. is gonna negatively affect trade with us… as if Trump isn’t literally out there threatening to abandon CUSMA, a deal that he made in his first term to replace NAFTA.
If their word never seems to matter, why should we hold ourselves to their standards?
Because we don’t want Donald to have a fit and send troups, he’s currently invaiding his second country this term and I doubt he’ll be stoping anytime soon.
Why bother trying to negotiate with the Americans? Iran was actively in peace talks with the US and Israel when this bombing happened. It further demonstrates that there’s no point negotiating with trump, he’s a bad faith negotiator
Agree. Why justify this type of incursion when we have literally been threatened?
“Negotiation” can be an attempt to come to a deal, or it can be an attempt to keep Trump distracted until some different jangly keys come along to occupy his attention.
He could have said nothing. It would have been cowardly, but slightly less so.
Yeah this is my thought too…like if you’re so scared that you can’t say what you think is right, fine…but keep your damn trap shut and quit licking boots.
Unless he actually believes in this…
How the fuck you think you know what he thinks? These types of comments are measured well, not just blurted out.
I think he’s not a moron, and so he doesn’t actually think it’s good for the US to attack Iran. Of course it’s measured, he wouldn’t say “rah rah, go trump go” if he didn’t think he should. But he thinks he should because of cowardice.
I get it, but why not just bide his time rather than support an illegal action.
The last five years have shown how little organizations like the UN matter. The NDP is daydreaming here. Get serious.
UN failed it first test with israel ethrnic cleansing of Palestinians. Un did never matter when it comes to respecting international laws
UN started failing way before that
You are right.
Perhaps Russia is now justified in doing whatever it wants, does that mean we stop hearing people like Carney call out “Russia’s illegal war on Ukraine” when we dont stand by international law ourselves?
I’d guess things like tariffs from the country holding the world reserve currency are also now justified, even though it causes crisis in countries that utilize it for global trade. Everyone gets to just do whatever benefits them and we stop attempting to harmonize or maintain some semblance of law and order as we embrace economic nihilism.
Justified? justification has nothing to do with it. what carney said was true, the large countrys rule, middle powers dont . thats what everyone doing, they’re choosing not to stick they’re necks out for some religious state trying to build nukes and fund terror orgs. that doesn’t mean he isnt trying to set up middle powers networks. i feel like everyones lost the plot these days.
He continue to deny the genocide in gaza and allow the selling of occupied land in synaguoges and idf soldiers tslking in school. He is a profesional bullshitter
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-clarifies-genocide-remarks-1.7506027
sound more like has avoiding a fight with isreal
Singh confronted him in the election debate he refused to acknowledge it . He don’t want to so he don’t have to take even more actions against Israeli terrorism and settler colonialism
sound more like has avoiding a fight with isreal
Canada signed the Geneva and genocide convention your stupid excuses don’t matter. He has the obligation to support Palestinians not Israel
sounds like more avoiding the issue that he doesn’t want to get involved, just like every other political matter people like you try to get him swept up in, grow up you insipid child, this is not our fight and thats clearly that stance hes taking.
fuck getting involved in religous conflicts, you go over and help them if your so inclined keyboard warrior.
Get lost genocide supporter and Carney dick sucker
Was his speech meant as an endorsement to that?
=.= his davos speech yes, if your talking about the Iran one. no, kind of. he basically talked for a minute or 2 about a bunch of the bad stuff Iran did, he specifically said he approved of the us destroying the nuclear sites but thats all he really said on the matter. he was in the middle of talks on trade with india so its clear hes perusing the middle power network. this all seems like smoke.
