Please look a the video it will explain the problem whole lot better than I ever could. But if you think it is important please sign the petition.
The EU Commision is rolling out a law that will severly impede our rights when it comes to digital products.
So the European Comission will not act on the Stop Destroying Videogames initiative, because it wants to focus on deregulation, because apparently current regulations are too much of a burden on businesses (source needed).
And the same European Comission is perfectly fine implementing new regulations for the purposes of… ruining everything for everybody and establishing close to the most totalitarian regime in existence right now?
See, there’s always space for new regulation, as long as it benefits the oligarchs, and nobody else but the oligarchs!
Private Servers illegal? What the fuck?
The purpose of nearly all Internet regulations is to make sure only the largest, richest tech companies in the world can comply with them and survive.
https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence is a 30-year-old document, but absolutely still relevant and utopian.
This is the feeling of hope i miss from the past. I really wish to feel it again.
This law will literally end indie game studios in the EU. Or at least prevent them from selling in the continent they are based in.
Oh and it is not only games. Has anyone a idea how to implement age verification for the fediverse? So have fun here as long as it lasts, because it will all burn under this law!
I really wish we would move to some more resilient protocol, where the roles and responsibilities are more distributed, and identities fully portable.
and what would that change in regards of that law? It would still need a way to implement age verification and I really don’t see a way for an open, federated, distributed system like the fediverse to implement it. It is in its core principles incompatible with age verification. I can’t see a way for the fediverse to survive this law, not in the EU at least.
They will try and try again, even if we could fight it this time.
I love that man. Game Dungeon has kept me company in times of uneasiness and instability.
EU petition to stop that law: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/066/public/#/screen/home
This doesn’t mention the servers. Early morning reading comprehension is failing me. You sure this petition is about the same law?
The petition was introduced before that specific law was actually presented to the public, so doesn’t mention the specifics, is only generally about age verification.
Signed. Thank you.
Thanks for just giving me the link. Didnt feel like watching sad news in the morning.
Thanks, I signed it just now.
Do I have to be in the EU to sign it?
Or an EU citizen
Yes
The EU doesn’t represent the interests of ordinary people.
I think you are overestimating the ordinary people.
It’s the EU Commission under Von Der Leyen. The European People’s Party got 13 seats out of 27 in the Commission. It’s the Christian democrat /conservative /center right liberal party of the EU. No wonder they are for this law.
The EU Parliament has people in it that are actually fighting for us.
Like ?
Marketá Gregorová, maybe?
Its true for all countries. Politicians only care about themselves and their shareholder friends. They only use the ordinary people as a means to gain more power and control even in democratic countries.
tis the exact issue: ordinary people let themselves be represented at all. take your arms, show them who is actually in control.
Online ID should only be legally mandated in cases where KYC (know your customer) laws exist, like financial services.
If you want to protect children, make them use devices that are locked down and block adult content. Online service providers should at most be required to mark such content with metadata.
KYC laws should be mandatory for any service that allows you to type the terrorist codeword characters “Palestine” into a text box especially where someone under the age of 500,000$ stock portfolio can see it
Parental countrol are already mandatory in the UE. Im not liable for your children. If u can’t educate them to technology dont buy them technology. In no way shape or form I’m liable for your children. If u cant educate them dont make them. If u think the whole world should be police cause u can’t take care of your progeniture you are a parasyte.
I’d be fully in favor of hardware-level age verification. And by that, I mean we already have the technology to securely and privately verify your age directly with the government, (not using a third-party), and so no single organization has a chance to collect more than a salted hash of your info. Then your user account (or the entire device, if you’re using a phone) would be considered verified. It would require governments to actually cooperate and be technologically literate, (which… Yeah… I know that makes it a pipe dream) but it is technologically feasible to implement.
The short version is as follows:
- Governments have citizens create a password. Ideally this would happen when they’re applying for their ID, which they would need to have to verify their age anyways. This password and salt is used for their hashed info.
- The government sets up a database of salted hashed info, along with a simple Boolean pass/fail for whether or not the individual is an adult. Again, this is only using salted hashes, (the same method we use to securely store passwords) so there is no recognizable data even if it gets intercepted in transit.
- The government publishes a service that intakes a hash, and returns a true/false for whether that hash matches an adult in their database. Again, no actual PII is stored in this database, only salted hashes.
- The user who wants to verify their age inputs their info into their device using standardized inputs, along with the password they created when they applied for their ID. This is hashed directly on the device, just like a password is hashed before it is sent to a website. This hash is the only info that leaves the device.
- Whatever service that is trying to verify your age takes this hash, passes it to that government database, and receives a pass/fail result. If you pass, your age is now verified. Congrats!
(a) Note that the company never received your PII, they only received the salted hash, and only received a basic Boolean 1/0 response from the government server. They never even received your exact age.
(b) Note that the government never received any info about your device, so they can’t use it to track you at a hardware level. They simply saw Microsoft/Google/Apple/etc. asking about a hash. - Now that account is verified, and can be used to automatically bypass any age-gates on any devices it is used on.
(a) For example, if your Microsoft account is verified, any computer you log into with it will also be verified while you’re logged in. If your Apple/Google account is verified, your phone/tablet is verified when you’re logged into it. This could also allow adult accounts to set up restricted child/teen accounts for shared devices like desktops or tablets. Allowing those children/teens access to age-appropriate content without needing to deal with verifying them independently, because the child/teen account was made with a verified adult account so the age range on those restricted accounts can also be trusted. - This could even cut out the middleman and verify the device directly using that same government service, but that would need to come with some extra security precautions (which I’m not smart enough to devise) to be sure the government isn’t able to collect verification attempts and tie individuals to the specific hardware devices that made those requests.
And then the verified device can directly pass a “yes this user is over 18” flag directly to any service that needs it. Sites simply ask for an age range. A verified account would automatically respond as “Adult”. A restricted child/teen account (created by a verified account) would automatically respond with “child” or “teen” respectively. And an unverified unrestricted account wouldn’t respond (or would respond as unverified) which would prompt sites to automatically hit them with the age verification gate. This age range check could all be done securely during the initial TLS handshake, before the site even begins to load. Ideally, it would be a fairly wide age range, to prevent data collection services from simply going “oh this user was reporting their age as 14 yesterday and now they’re 15. Now we know their birthday is today.”
This would all allow websites and services to verify ages on the backend, without actually needing to use third-party services. It would also allow for a much smoother user experience, with verified adult users being able to automatically bypass any kind of age gates. And unverified users trying to watch porn would probably automatically get redirected to a “your device isn’t verified, here is why, here is how to verify it” page. No concerns about kids lying and clicking the “yes I’m over 18” button, because they never even see a button to click. They just immediately get redirected to YouTube as soon as the site sees that they’re not verified as an adult.
It’s really the best of all worlds. It allows for secure verification, where the only info leaving your device is scrambled. It appeases the “think of the children” politicians and allows them to put their name on something. It allows us to ditch the stupid fucking “click here if you’re over 18” pages. And most importantly, it would actually protect kids, because now preventing them from accessing mature content is as simple as protecting your passwords. Because your kid can’t just steal your ID to verify their device without also having your password.
But again, none of this will ever happen because the data companies are the ones pushing for age verification laws. They want to insert themselves as the only viable third-party for verification, because they want to be able to collect all of our data. And that means the inevitable age verification methods will be the least insecure, most invasive methods imaginable. I’ve been saying for a while now that we should work to give politicians a better method, to stop them from implementing the worst shit that lobbyists can pay for. But lobbyists can pay, so their suggestions will go a lot farther even if they’re less secure.
Some countries (such as mine, Italy) already release a NFC-enabled ID. We would just need an encrypted authenticator on a mobile phone for scanning the ID and providing a validation code.
Ok, so let’s say you’re a minor and I get a hold of your hash. Now I’m going to run it through the service every day, whether you log in or not. The day you turn 18 I’m going to know your date of birth.
I actually just updated my post to clarify how child/teen accounts would be handled without needing direct verification. No hash needed for minors, meaning there is no risk of this. I think we danced around each other while posting, because I saw the notification for your comment as soon as I finalized my edit.
EU fucktards doing the exact opposite of what was suggested.
If that vermin Metsola is still in charge while this gets voted, not even the Parliament will be able to stop it, as she clearly shows she’s more than willing to bypass the Parliament’s decision with chat control 1.0
She’s just one of countless American assets ruining the entire EU from the inside.
All that scum belongs in camps in Siberia.
What the shit. I’m surprised its not the US doing this. I know they will, but still.
There’s a popular misconception that lobbying doesn’t exist in the European Union. It does. Big money is constantly trying to sway and buy politicians into their interests, everywhere, and their interest are always right leaning social control. There’s also a right wave going on in the world. The EU is leaning right, and with it there’s a raise in popularity of dumb backwards legislation.
Also the EU Commission are not elected, they’re nominated.
The only part the EU Parliament has in there is a confirmation (take it or leave it) vote on commissioners other than the head.
It’s a perfect setup for moneyed interests to buy themselves whatever laws they want for an entire block of nations with 470 million people and which has a Gross Domestic Product close to the US.
So most of the EU crap comes from the EU Commission (though recently the EU Parliament itself renewed Chat Control when its head used a procedural trick to do it at a time when many parliamentaries were already on vacations and without needing a majority of parliamentarians to approve it, so shenanigans are an EU Commission monopoly).
How’s that legal? That’s literally bribery.
I don’t think it’s the right. I’ve seen so many center left politicians support these draconian laws.
Good god, a lot of thirdworld countries are better at this.
It’s the same people making or not both the Laws helping specific really wealthy companies who are known to provide gold-plated “opportunities” to friendly retired politicians and the Laws that would stop such obvious conflicts of interest, so of course they don’t make the latter and thus it’s perfectly legal to, after favoring certain companies and industries as a politician, retire from politics and go get paid a couple million a year from some company that the laws you made and measures you enacted helped.
This is why Democracy is supposed to have 3 independent pillars - Politics, the Press and the Judiciary - which watch over and keep each other in check: if the Political branch allows most forms of what in practice is corruption to be legal, the Press is suppose to hammer them for it.
Sadly, the Press is a lot less independent nowadays, ever since the same people who own the companies that benefit from “friendly” politician lawmaking bought most of the Press, plus specifically for the EU, its politics naturally get way less coverage than national politics in all EU countries (plus EU structures like the EU Commission are far more opaque), so naturally under such reduced visibility and understanding the crooks that manage to get themselves into lawmaking and executive positions in the EU get away with far more funny business than they would otherwise.
My own feeling is that if measured in terms of the amount of negative impact on EU nations and citizens, what people would consider to be corruption (so, all situations where politicians benefit certain economic interest in the expectation that they themselves will personally financially gain from having done so, even if they’re actually legal), the EU structures are probably the most corrupt political structure in Europe, not because of having more corrupt people in it that elsewhere but because the measures enacted there have the most impact of all hence in that process benefiting certain interests by adding costs or limiting freedoms of others causes much more damage that it would if it was done at a local or even national level - a single corrupt EU Commissioner can cause far more damage than a single corrupt government minister in an EU nation.
Still waiting for von der layen SMS where as our representative she had secret négociation with Pfizer. How is it even legal that she dont had to discole thoses ? The UE is so far away from real citizen that this structure need reform. Everyday it take stupid decision. Everyday normal ppl pay the price while thoses oligarch and their big money being paid on my tax keep shouting at me the issue is is have too much freedom.
that’s what “lobbying” means🤣. but instead of one person being affect, it’s you and me, and everyone else not taking these authoritarians down.
The EU is leaning right, and the US is leaning right, so…would the EU be willing to become the 51st state?
