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    You’ll find that, overall, it’s actually the opposite. Healthy people who have all of their basic needs covered feel a big incentive to do productive and valuable work. Sure, there will be the freeloader here and there. But in general, people want to do cool things, even boring or simple things, as long as they feel they are contributing to something good.

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      But in general, people want to do cool things, even boring or simple things, as long as they feel they are contributing to something good.

      Do people who retire contribute to society more or less than they did before retirement? Pensioners are the closest thing we have to a long-term UBI today.

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        It’s an unfair comparison. A pensioner is someone that by definition already contributed the most they could to the economy. As experience has it, plenty of pensioners continue to work even after retirement.

        We have seen experiments with ubi and they almost unanimously conclude that it’s a net positive, people tend to find work that both they actually want to work in and have the most skill on. It improves work conditions overall as well. Instead of settling for worse conditions or unfit positions.

        Happy people are more efficient and productive. That’s a no brainer.

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          A pensioner is someone that by definition already contributed the most they could to the economy

          Not really. There are plenty of healthy early retirees. Do they on average contribute more or less than before they retired?

          As experience has it, plenty of pensioners continue to work even after retirement.

          What percentage? How does that compare to what they did before?

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            Any early retiree is most likely a billionaire, so by definition they weren’t even contributing that much to begin with, probably just hoarding generational riches.

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              Any early retiree is most likely a billionaire

              My kid’s teacher retired at 55. So you think she was a billionaire?

              so by definition they weren’t even contributing that much to begin with, probably just hoarding generational riches.

              So rich people don’t contribute to society because they don’t have to work in order to live. However, people under a UBI will be very productive because they don’t have to work in order to live?

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                I’m not engaging anymore, you don’t want to learn, you’re just constructing weird gotchas for outrage.