Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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    Germans had a prideful couple of years when France fell but then it got ugly. So average mercan will no doubt celebrate on the short term about how great frump and merca are. Reality for them is a few years away. Think of this as 1938. Merca didnt join the war against nazis in 1942 ‘til Europe was defeated and england was on its knees.

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      The “average American” despises Trump and MAGA. MAGA is a minority in this country. Our problem is that our elected politicians have CHOSEN to allow MAGA to flourish, despite strong condemnation from the citizens.

      Congressional Dems will likely control Congress after the 2026 Midterm Election. Let’s see if they will finally take bold and decisive action against MAGA, like the voters are demanding.

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        The “average American” despises Trump

        How did Trump win the elections in a two party system if over half the population despises him? I know the US electoral system is not directly related to raw amount of votes, but still.

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          More people didn’t vote at all than voted for either candidate.

          Many people who voted for Trump are already regretting it hard, per polling

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          Trump actually got less votes the second time than he did the first time. Voter turnout in the US is miniscule, with less than half the population voting for a variety of reasons (gerrymandering, voting day is not a federal holiday so people still have to work, the lack of politicians who do what they promise, etc.).

          So roughly a quarter of the country voted for him, and some of them voted for him because he isn’t a Democrat. There’s a great story about how a trans person who ran on a defund the police campaign got elected county sheriff in Vermont because she ran as the Republican candidate. Enough people showed up and voted for whoever had the R next to their name without ever listening to any of the candidates to know what their stances were that she won by a landslide.

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            Because they CHEATED, and EVERYBODY knows it, even MAGAs. They’d love to brag about it, but they can’t.

            In America, the president isn’t chosen by popular vote. No Republican has won the popular vote on America since Reagan in 1980, and they are less popular now than have been in decades. Trump claims he won it in 2024, but again, they cheated, so it doesn’t count.

            How did they cheat? The presidential race came down to the votes in 7 swing states, as it usually does. Somehow, despite no polls showing it in advance, Trump won decisively in every single one of those states, almost a statistical impossibility.

            To cheat, all they had to do was flip one race, in 7 states, and in those seven states, there were MILLIONS of ballots with straight Democratic tickets, but Trump at the top. MILLIONS! And yet, I’ve never seen a single voter claim they voted that way. I don’t know any, and I’ve never seen one interviewed on TV Supposedly there are millions of them, but nobody has ever talked to one. If you still doubt that, understand that nearly all of those split tickets came from those 7 swing states. We are expected to believe that those sorts of voters only live in those states, and nowhere else.

            Besides that, there are many very strange statistical anomolies in districts and states across America, but nobody on either side is talking about it, the media is complicit as usual, so they aren’t covering it, leaving private individuals to collect the data and exposing it. It starts to sound like a conspiracy theory, but sometimes, even often, conspiracies are true.

            They had four years, and a close alliance between three of the most psychopathic Oligarchs on the planet, including one with the power of a hostile sovereign nation, and two of them with confirmed advanced hacking capabilities, to get their voting machine fraud strategy operational.

            Worse, the moment the race was over, the Dems voluntarily declared that the MAGAs won it “fair & square,” even though it was fishy at the outset to anyone with basic Critical Thinking Skills. They didn’t take even the slightest look at it, they were too busy getting excited at the prospect of being smug about teaching a lesson to MAGAs about how to have a peaceful transfer of power, as if MAGAs care about that at all.

            And consider this: Trump routinely cheats at everything he does. Everything. He thinks it gives him an advantage over those weak people with morality, which it does. He cheats even when he doesn’t have to, because he always thinks it will give some sort of an advantage.

            He was about to go to trial, and almost certainly would have ended up in prison, as the evidence of his treason in two separate cases was incontrovertible. The only thing that would keep him out of prison for the rest of his life, was becoming president. So we are supposed to believe that the one election that would keep him out of prison for life, was the one election that he decided to finally play it “fair & square” for the first time in his entire life? How can ANYONE be that obtuse?

            The Democratic Leadership reaction finally exposed, once and for all, how weak and cowardly the Dem leadership like Schmuck Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi, etc. truly are. They don’t really want power, all they care about is remaining in office so they can keep padding their bank accounts with insider trading. It’s as if they know that the entire world is about to turn authoritarian, and the only thing that will save them and their heirs is a shit ton of money, so they are concentrating on that, instead of saving America, and the world, from MAGA rule.

            MAGA is only about a 1/3 of America, and shrinking. They got into power by cheating, and they will hold power through brutality. We have a couple of elections ahead that will secure the future one way or the other, and it is literally the Democrats last chance, and they actually have a good chance to prevail…

            …unless they squander this opportunity, the way they did during the shameful Biden administration, and fail to crush MAGA once and for all, and purge it from our government and our society. Then America will be lost, and likely slip into Civil War, and the rest of the world will be on their own to prevent their own takeovers by Russia and China.

            Other countries need America to slip out of this peacefully nearly as much as America does. They need to pressure their leaders, to pressure the Democratic Party, to take its responsibility seriously, and either fight back, or get out of the way and let the rising Progressive Warriors have a go at stopping MAGA.

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            It is common in various countries that large part of the population does not vote.

            What does this have to do with the point? I was pointing out that it is unrealistic to assume that the majority of the US population despises Trump, yet he won the elections in a dual party system. That is because if you despise one of the parties in such a system then the choice is very clear.

            some of them voted for him because he isn’t a Democrat.

            Then if I should take both this point and the one above as true, the conclusion should be: over half the Americans despise Trump, but a larger quantity despise Democrats more than Trump.

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              Because the votes are not at all a representation of the country. The country is actively hostile to voters, particularly leftists. This means that a disproportionate number of votes are from conservatives, because the stats say that they would never win again if voting was actually fairly accessible to everybody. Combine that disenfranchisement with the disillusionment in both the system and the Democratic party, and it’s easier to make sense of how Trump won this last election despite getting less votes than he did the last time that he won.

              I would say that your second point is more or less correct. Trump got less votes than his last term, but the Dems lost even more votes for various reasons. From running an unpopular candidate to running on a platform that largely consists of leaning more and more conservative year after year to gagging their actually popular candidates, leftists are fed up with the Dems.

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        The “average American” despises Trump and MAGA.

        So? If they don’t actually do anything then it’s a pointless statistic. Get off your asses and start actual meaningful protest/strike/boycotts until it changes. Until that happens nothing will change.

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        Yeah the average German wasn’t too fond of that Austrian guy other. It took the minority of die hard followers and the apathy of the majority for it all to happen.

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        Or if they’re the paid opposition like a lot of people think they are. When progressives were on the rise, they undermined them and coddle with the fascists in doing so to negate it. Fucking corporatist neo-liberals.

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          What is “Paid opposition?” They certainly serve many of the same Sociopathic Oligarchs as the MAGAs, but I’m not sure they’re as openly corrupt as MAGAs. They take campaign funds, run interference for them, give them favorable treatment, etc., but the MAGAs have formed a tight alliance among the most psychopathic Oligarchs on the planet to little rally take control of America for their own personal exploitation. As bad as they’ve been, I can’t agree the Dems are that bad - yet.

          I prefer to look at them as managers for the same terrible company. Some managers are cool, and pleasant to work for, while others are sadistic, and terrorize everybody for every minute they are at work. Obviously, we’d all like to work for the nice managers, but ultimately even they have the same agenda and objectives as the sadistic managers - to force the workers to produce profit far beyond reasonable expectations, and sacrifice their entire lives to the corporation, or else.

          If we want to make a substantial change, then we have to force both types of managers to fear US, and appeal to THEIR bosses for relief. That won’t ever happen though, and so eventually we will have to shove the weak managers aside, and deal with the Sociopathic Oligarchs ourselves.

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            Paid opposition is essentially they’re paid for by the ones truly in power, the Sociopathic Oligarchs, to be the foil to the other party they want to maintain control with. They present an “alternative” to voters but in the end don’t make major changes, they’re just like a ratchet only going in one direction. That any have voted at all for Trump appointees under this regime instead standing opposed in solidarity doesn’t beat the rap of them being that. And how they want more corporatists to run than actual progressives and they will go all out on progressive candidates to the point of compromising their position to do so.

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          Sir, Russia can’t complete a 3 day special operation. If China had the will and firepower to stop the US they’d be able to do it without Russia.

          And we don’t know if China would actually team up with the EU to fight the US, or let both sides weaken each other while they take over Taiwan.

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            When China says they’re not interested in full, overseas military adventurism, I actually believe them. China is so big, unwieldy and diverse that even in good times it’s hard to keep it stable internally, and one thing the Chinese government is VERY good at is taking an EXTREMELY long-term view of its actions. If China decides to act against the US, it will be in myriad subtle and indirect ways that accomplish its goals without sudden shock and exposure.

            Incidentally, the US itself is also a fantastic example of why China WON’T do that. Post WW2, with very few exceptions, almost EVERY instance of US military adventurism has ended in failure, or at the very least, not gained the US anything compared to the losses. But the US’s work in soft power, partnerships, and containment? That brought down the Soviet Union without firing a single shot.

            China won’t be stupid enough to try to take America’s place by using the US’s loser tactics - it will do it using their successful ones.

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              This.

              China is a much too competent player to do it on their own, and frankly are very clear with their ambitions and challenges lying elsewhere.

              However, supporting a Russian hybrid war effort to destabilize the US into civil war, and even potentially annex Alaska or the Bering strait, that I can see China do. As well as supporting others with a grudge against the US, at the very least diplomatically, if not through strategic trade.

              If the US continues to antagonise it’s allies, I’m confident China will continue to be happy to pick up the slack. BRICS has got a significant boost post-Trump.

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            I don’t think China would team up with the EU explicitly, it would be more of a pact against a common adversary.

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      There is no USSR this time around though. China’s foreign policy is pretty much hands off, see e.g. the attacks on Iran and Venezuela that are going to tank chinese investment there, but all there is are strongly worded letters.

      As the rate of profit continues to fall the US will start to strip the copper from the EU, fund fascist parties and as we have seen they will kidnap a president that isn’t sufficiently compliant. How much respect they have for european countries sovereignty we can see here. On top off this, once Ukraine officially loses, fascists might blame us and start terror attacks as well. Future in europe is looking pretty grim I’d say.