Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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    This is done because there are no consequences, no repercussions. A convicted felon and rapist is in charge instead of in jail. The checks and balances of their system have long since failed.

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      I’d like to cite the last two definitions given by Shoshanna Zuboff for surveillance capitalism:

      7. A movement that aims to impose a new collective order based on total certainty; 
      8. An expropriation of critical human rights that is best understood as a coup from above: an overthrow of the people’s sovereignty.
      
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      Too much was based on good will, public outcry and political capital. When MAGA proved they will excuse anything, they doomed the system.

      If the system is ever recaptured, we must put stronger checks in. Or suffer the same fate.

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    American propaganda agents should be hunted down and butchered.

    Bannon saying he’s gonna give Ireland a trump should get his ass in the space station with Mountbatten.

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    I think Canada should be on notice right now. I can’t believe I would ever say such a thing, but as a US citizen it just seems to me like these people have no line they won’t cross.

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    When will the rest of the world ? Not a peep from my shitty governemt here in Australia, we just keep doubling down and buying weapons from the US, nuclear submarines of all the stupid things.

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      Hey cousin!

      We just bought some over the horizon radar from you guys!

      Unfortunately we’re also contemplating buying some locked down F35s that are sure to be kill switched by the US when they decide that they want our resources. I think we need to accept that the F35s are not going to happen, and instead get the Gripens. At this point it’s seems like the height of stupidity to trust them, especially with our military hardware.

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        Yeah, that combined with the big servicing challenges for the F35s really makes me think getting them isn’t the right move. For once the glacial pace of Canadian military procurement helped us.

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            In this case we should consider that money spent determining how to avoid giving up our sovereignty.

            Hopefully we dodged a bullet.

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            As is Canadian tradition. It is not even the biggest waste currently in military spending.

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      You’re gonna need that submarine if you go to war with your biggest trading partner at the behest of America.

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    Republicans want to add new states and are looking for conservative ones so they can keep control.

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      Yep. Expect any invasion to be in Alberta. I honestly believe this Canada shit is just ePiC TrOLLiNg by the adolescents in charge of the US government to piss off Canadians and American progressives. I hope I’m not wrong, but I do find comfort in the fact that Canada isn’t a brown/poor people country. We seem to prefer attacking those instead. I don’t know about Greenland, though. I don’t think any of us understand that shit.

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    Hi, failed expat here. Tried to move to Guelph legally in 2023-24 because Nazification of the USA was incredibly obvious to anyone who reads. Canadians changed their laws to be racist to Indians and excluded me, even though I am a white masters degree holder who had professional connections in the region.

    When I die fighting ICE outside of some middle school because I caught them trying to kidnap people at my work, know that I would have lived in peace. I literally just wanted to eat delicious cheesecake in Guelph with my hot wife (who doesn’t have full rights in the fucking USA).

    *edit: I want the people who are downvoting this to explain to me which part exactly they disagree with, because I think the implication is pretty disgusting generally.

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      When I die fighting ICE outside of some middle school because I caught them trying to kidnap people at my work, know that I would have lived in peace.

      Destiny is calling. Don’t question the universe.

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      Honestly, north america is not the place to be. Canada was all ready to elect trump north and the guy we got is still a right wing banker. The only thing you’ll miss by not moving to Guelph is the awesome craft beer.

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      Hi friend, and I mean that sincerely, I’m truly sorry that you weren’t able to get into Canada. And I hear you about the attitudes towards Indians… It’s abhorrent and a product of the anti-immigrant rhetoric that the right wing has imported from the US.

      One of my best friends immigrated from India a couple of decades ago. He married a childhood friend and they slowly built a life together, now own 60 acres and have two kids. Hearing his story made me proud of this country, and I believe we are hurting ourselves by letting partisan reactionaries set the message on immigration. My family on my mother’s side immigrated from Eastern Europe after WW2. I’m first generation, so I understand what immigrant families go though, and especially the work ethic that the majority of them embody.

      I hope you do not give up, and please, please stay safe. I react strongly to the increasing American threat, but it’s easy to forget there are people like you who never wanted any of this. I hope you can join us soon.

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        Good for your friend and your parents. Lots of 1st generation people could have helped us and didn’t.

        Anyway, don’t wish for my safety. Do not let these fascists have an inch in Canada. Not a bleeding inch.

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            I’m writing about specific people in a specific situation so I’d rather not go into a ton of detail but there were housing and work situations where any cooperation would have made all the difference for us.

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          Because frankly the ideology of our current crop of right wing loons is a carbon copy of the US, and the US funds our right wing think tanks and NGOs.

          In short they use the same tactics of dishonesty, fear and scapegoating to manipulate the public and create the same division and mistrust of government. We can see where it leads.

          By the way we didn’t vote the right wing into power, we dodged a bullet.

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    I am just waiting to see the mental gymnastics the regular US people will go through when they will be asked to fight vs EU people and they will just go with it.

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    I might need to borrow your axe there bud. Wouldn’t mind an extra set of hands to wield it if needed

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    Hey there. I dunno if this is the best place to ask, or post, but I have to start somewhere. First, I feel that I can no longer use Reddit. It’s a Seppo (that’s Aussie rhyming slang, in case you don’t know, that I just find particularly suitable to refer to the asshats who live south of us: “septic tank”) site. I am getting on in years – almost 62 – so I probably am not going to become a guerrilla fighter out on the field, but I am looking for people who may be starting to form groups to fight against any possible invasion. I could provide a safe house (safe suite, more like), store ingredients, or materiel, what have you. It may sound, odd, what I am asking about, but the US is now a failed state run by an immoral, bent group of fascists (led by Stephen Miller: Trump is merely a puppet, simply too stupid and demented to formulate any ideas on his own). The citizens of the former US are too weak and dim, as a populace, to realise that, but that is what it is.

    On another note, anyone who supports the cons and Skippy is a traitor and cannot be trusted. I am in Edmonton, by the way, so any rebel groups forming in this region would be what I am looking for, at the moment. I am planning to leave, in the next 18 months, as the Quislings who reside in Alberta are too numerous to deal with. Any true Canadian should really be thinking about and preparing for the worst. Remember history: people started fleeing Austria when Hitler came into power next door. Not sure I have that finances to do that, so best to get ready for invasion.

    Oh, as an aside, but a relevant one, yes, I do reside in Alberta, but I have lived in two other countries, have become a naturalised Dutchmen (I have dual citizenship), have travelled the world, and, politically, would describe myself as an anarcho-communist. So, not all of the people who have the misfortune of currently residing in this dubious province are cons.

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    Dear Canada:

    Issue a warrant for Miller and his fascist wife and abduct them in the middle of the night.

    Apparently we will just go with it now.

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      The tiny news item a few months ago about Miller and family moving out of his suburban house and onto a military base with the flimsy excuse about feeling threatened by sidewalk chalk doesn’t seem so amusing now.

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    Americans know. They just don’t have any idea what to do, and no single person can solve the problem.

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      The country that has spent a couple centuries dining out on its founding national mythology of knowing EXACTLY what to do somehow doesn’t know what to do.

      You know what to do- you’re just a bunch of fucking cowards who are more concerned about not risking your relative comfort.

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          As I said- cowards.

          Spend your life sucking up the privilege that being an American affords you and then turn tail and run while those who can’t run have to stay and suffer.

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            That’s not being a coward. This country has never done anything for me, why should I do anything for it? What kind of absolute dumb fuck moron would say to themselves, I was born here, so that’s who I am, And that’s all I will ever be!

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        The world doesn’t need to go to war, it needs to stop being afraid of a major economic downturn.

        Stop everything with the US: trade, travel, everything. Deport all Americans back to their native soil. Isolate them, and see how quickly things change.

        While we’re at it, do the same with Russia and Israel. And maybe China?

        Would it cause a global economic crisis? Probably. But people are already dying—it’s worth it if we can actually end a genocide and a couple wars.

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          So much this. Just 100% stop all trade with the United States. All of it. And zero travel. Then ban US travel to your country. Give them the isolation they crave.

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            No, definitely impose sanctions and stop trade, but don’t ban travel. Let the brain drain do its thing.

            Some of us do not consent to the actions of this rogue administration, and we don’t crave isolation. Some of us desperately want a way out of this country.

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            While most of US manufacturing is indeed not so useful anywhere, there are things you can not stop importing.

            Software and computer parts are a good example.

            Moreover, what’s the problem with Americans travelling to your country?

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              Software can be made literally anywhere, and computer parts are made in China and other SE Asian countries anyway.

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                That is not the current situation.

                The comment above did not say let’s focus the next 10 years to build a software stack that does not depend on US software. It said let’s immediately stop importing stuff from the US. That is not something you can in a moment substitute without massive disruption.

                Computer parts are made in China and Taiwan mostly, sure. But: AMD is American, intel is American, Nvidia is American. Go build a computer without using parts coming from one of these companies.

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                  The comment said nothing about the ban having to be this instant. They said to stop all trade. That could just as well mean, take the necessary steps to stop all trade as feasibly fast as possible. How long do you think it would take for China to be able to export computer hardware directly to the EU if the EU said tomorrow “As soon as you can supply hardware, we will stop all trade with USA”? China is the champion of accelerated manufacturing, they’d be supplying us in a couple of months.

                  There already is open source software solution for by FAR most software that is used. Most companies don’t actually need proprietary software from USA, they can switch very quickly, especially if they get a deadline in a month to switch everything away from Linux, 'cause then the profits are on the line.

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          Deport all Americans back to their native soil.

          I haven’t lived there in a decade and only maintain citizenship to have access to my parents in cases of emergency. Why on earth would you send me back to that hell-hole? All that accomplishes is destroying my family, my business, my wife’s ability to live, etc.

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            I don’t agree with them, but I do see the logic. Send back a bunch Americans who saw good reason to leave and perhaps they’ll be forced to try to make it more like wherever they fled to.

            Or it’s just vindictive “Trump deports people so we deport people” idiocy, idk

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              but I do see the logic.

              I don’t. What are they going to do? A lot of people I know who live abroad have done so for decades and have no living family in the US. All it would do is introduce a bunch of homeless people to the US and destroy lives. I voted against the current administration and disagree with everything they do. Guess they should just make my wife homeless, get my house repossessed, destroy my career, and probably just end with me killing myself because of where I was born. Must be big fans of ICEs work, I guess.

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                In this hypothetical scenario, maybe you could just renounce your citizenship (and stop paying taxes to the US).

                In all cases, retaliation against a fascist regime will destroy lives, but it’s generally the better option. I mean people suggest to stop trading with the US or crash their economy, this is not victimless either.

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                  I plan to renounce but I need to be able to help my parents if they need it. Family comes first here. I do not have to pay taxes, just file them; especially with the weak Japanese yen, I don’t make enough to need to pay anything.

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                Honestly at this point, I rather see Americans suffer. It would humble them. My country was attacked by US & a lot my fellow citizens committed suicide due to the massive blow from tariffs.

                I was too considering it.

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            That’s exactly what the people being deported from the US are feeling.

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              Indeed. It’s terrible and it’s also the reason we don’t visit family in the US (my wife is not a US citizen and barely speaks English). I do not support it, I voted against the current administration, and I have removed as many US companies as possible from my life.

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          From an EU perspective that sounds like isolationism, I mean the USA, China, Russia, … would basically be forced to trade more between them.

          It could work if selective, but we’d need the rest of the world on our side first or it’d just backfire.

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        Nah. Just start selling the US bonds that backs the US currency. The USD with crash in value.

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          Most of the people in charge don’t have their value in USD, they have it in material and speculative value. The crash of the USD will hurt everyone but them.

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            Crashing the USD would be its demise as the global reserve currency, which would evaporate all that speculative value overnight.

            Sure, the oligarchs would still have their mansions, bunkers, and bullet-proof SUVs, but their primary source of leverage and influence would be gone. They would become irrelevant.

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            Would this finally cause the american population enough distress to heave themselves off their armchairs, put down their hotdogs, turn off the TV, and get out the guillotines?

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              No that idea died when the military became infinitely more advanced than the populace

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      But when you suggest things they can do (it starts with s and rhymes with trike) all you get are excuses. I’m personally done letting Americans off the hook.

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        I agree, but the ability to strike in America was purposefully neutered. The only real way to strike effectively would be, at best, extra-legal, if not outright illegal. It’s not like most of the civilized world. The “leader of the free world” has made it very hard for the citizens to freely stand against it.

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            Except that the US government and corporations have spent the years since convincing the people that there’s a right way to protest, and that it’s by holding signs on a street corner - preferably out of view. This is why MLK was seen as a violent thug during the Civil Rights Movement and is seen as a hero today. Their struggle has been whitewashed to remove what actually happened and turned into an example of changing things the “right way” - by gently asking your oppressors to stop oppressing you. The US is one of the most propagandized populations on the planet. Our children pledge their undying loyalty every morning to the flag that hangs in every classroom. The only other countries on Earth to have done that are North Korea and the Hitler’s Youth program in Nazi Germany.

            They’ve also gutted any form of support network for the same reason. The US populace is staunchly anti-union because companies have convinced us that worker’s rights are bad. They’ve made everybody dependent on keeping their job to keep food on the table and a roof over their head, of course, but also to see a doctor if you have a fever. And God forbid it’s anything worse than that. It’s bread and circuses with a dash of the Sword of Damocles.

            So not only do we have to convince people to risk their lives to fight a fascist regime and their police force that is armed as well as many countries military, we have to convince the pearl clutchers that snarky taglines on signs aren’t going to solve things, and reconstruct support networks that haven’t existed for over half a century, and prevent the 45% of the population who support the fascists from voluntarily drafting themselves to root out any resistance, if not start shooting them in the streets. The FBI spends half their time putting down white supremacist militias. All they’d have to do is stop doing that and let the Trump regime do the rest by tweeting from the toilet at 3am. Those most likely to take up arms against the system are the same people who support the current system.

            The average person isn’t brave enough to risk their life. If they were, we’d see Canadians coming down to burn down the White House again. We’d see Mexicans crossing the southern border. We’d see aid networks forming from other countries to provide support for anybody willing to resist. But we don’t and we won’t. And I don’t mean that in a “other countries should solve American problems” way, but that people in other countries are just as likely to say, “Not my fight, not my problem. Somebody else should deal with it” as Americans are. It’s human nature. If it wasn’t, we’d see more people taking out healthcare CEOs. More people would’ve supported the IRA. We’d have far more examples instead of Blair Mountain and the Haymarket Affair.

            It’s easy for the armchair generals of the world to say that Americans should just arm themselves and go to war against the largest military on the planet when it isn’t their necks on the line.

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              Thank you. Really tired of the whole ‘do something’ when the very system, propaganda machine, and half the population is conditioned to fight their neighbors because of lies about who those neighbors are or what those neighbors believe. We have a population that will attempt a coup over a lie no one can prove with evidence, but support the side lying to them about it all when they’re told to look the other way about this regimes many crimes.

              The armchair warriors around the world are tired of the inaction from Americans? Try living here and needing to fight against the fascism while half the country tries to stop you to own the libs. It’s fucking exhausting. I’ve lost friends and family to their bullshit excuses of essentially if they’re not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. We’re fucking pissed, too, but short of calling, writing, voting, protesting, and trying to engage and help our communities, what should we do?

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            It needs to happen regardless, but no, we are worse off than they were. There are a lot more ways to track people, which is one major negative. Back then there weren’t a system designed to prevent and punish striking. Now there is. If it ends up happening at the scale that’s needed to make a difference then there will be fights against private militias and the government again.

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              There are a lot more ways to track people,

              Fair enough.

              Back then there weren’t a system designed to prevent and punish striking.

              There was, we call it Pinkerton, among others. At least now you can organize out in the open.

              then there will be fights against private militias and the government again.

              There’s no nonviolent class conflict (which is what this needs to be), but the magnitude of the violence will increase exponentially with time as the fascists consolidate power.

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                There was, we call it Pinkerton, among others. At least now you can organize out in the open.

                No, you can’t. The US is so anti-union that there is a real risk of you getting reported to your boss for mentioning unionizing to your coworkers. They can’t openly fire you for trying to unionize, but most of the US is “at will employment,” which means that they can fire you at any time and don’t need to say why.

                This is a real sign

                Check out this article: Trump is the biggest union-buster in U.S. history

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        How do you strike if you’re already unemployed? So many people are already losing their jobs to automation and AI.

        Also, one of the most insidious aspects of american healthcare is that by tying it to employment, people become utterly dependent on their employers. They lose a lot of leverage.

        How do you risk your livelihood when you have cancer or diabetes and your corporate benefits are the only way you can afford healthcare?

        Not to mention, most of the american workforce is not unionized. How do you organize a strike without workers unions?

        Plus, there is a precedent in recent history where congress can pass legislation making it illegal for workers to continue a strike. How that doesn’t qualify as forced labor, is beyond me.

        So you see, there are many roadblocks to having an effective strike in the US, especially when the american system has been designed over the decades and centuries specifically to advance and protect the interests of the wealthy elite.

        It’s not about making excuses, it’s about acknowledging the practical realities that get in the way of progress.

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            And the rittenhouse case shows that in america, you can get away with shooting/murdering protesters, if you’re a white conservative.

            But a liberal counter-protester bringing a gun to a trump rally? Not even white privilege will protect you at that point…

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          I won’t pretend to know your circumstances, but usually overthrowing dictators requires you to break the law. The work to make that possible starts now.

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      and no single person can solve the problem.

      That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.

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        Yeah well we had “No Kings” and people came together, yet nothing happened. A few million people showed up and then went home.

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          No Kings was an absolute fucking joke from the start and everyone there virtue signaling is part of the problem.

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          and then went home.

          That’s part of the problem.

          Effective protesting isn’t a “one and done” thing.

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            I agree. And that is why the US is done for. No one is willing to stay until we get what we want… and want is subjective.

            Best to pack up and move to another country if they can.

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              That’s practically impossible for majority of people in the USA. Even to get to Canada is a long, arduous process with lots of trips and cost associated with it if they want you.

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                Well, being a desirable person does help the process. If you’ll be a drain on their economy, you’re not likely to be accepted.

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                  Which about a third of America is poor, poorly educated, and might not have marketable skills. Canada also seems more focused on bringing in healthcare professionals right now.

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        And a lot of people outside the USA looking in don’t realize the social dynamics. I want to stop this, but a lot needs to happen first as lone wolfing just gets you labeled a terrorists and extra judicially killed.

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      Personality cults have trouble transitioning to a new leader. North Morea did it, but otherwise it doesn’t really happen often. One aneurysm may be all we need.

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        I didnt know that Morea was under a cult of personality, though I guess that did apply to some of the Marble Emperor’s in Constantinople with some of the remnants of the Imperial Cult.

        Yes I know you meant the Norks.

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      I don’t, but it won’t hurt to voice how people think of the Admin and Congress.

      Voicing dissent against the Admin shrinks the permission structure of its actions. Trump feels emboldened if the people have his back, and trepidatious if not.

      Trepidation to a child-like tyrant might mean the difference between nuclear launch codes being used or not.

      Ultimately elections mean nothing consequential in the US, but that doesn’t mean they can’t influence some politicians.

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      I don’t, but also I’m fucking doing it. It takes all of five minutes. You’ve got the time to do it. You might as well. It can only help. It won’t solve the problem, but it will make it harder for them.

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        Oh absolutely. Keep engaging the system, such as it is. But know it won’t be enough. More is required. More that will not be done white knight riding to the rescue.

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        No that’s the thing: If the problem isn’t solved by the midterms, it’s already checkmate. The main goal of an aspiring dictator like Trump is to disable the system’s checks and balances and prepare for their ultimate seizure of power. Thanks to decades of executive overreach most of the groundwork is already in place, so it’s entirely possible that Trump can get to a point where launching a coup is a realistic prospect by the end of the year, in which case he’s just going to do it because he can’t afford to be removed from power or he’ll be thrown in jail.

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          it’s already there… why do you idiots keep moving the goalpost to justify your inaction?

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            Don’t worry, they’ll make up for it by endlessly wanking about a glorious revolution that they haven’t even begun to lay the groundwork for, while attacking any attempt to make actual change as “incrementalism”.

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        I’m gonna vote, too, even though I fully expect to be arrested at some point for TDS because I voted for someone he didn’t endorse.

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      The time for electoral reform was 4 decades ago. Time to go through the motions. Good luck, and good night.

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      I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that. But then it might be too late to do anything else

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        I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that

        They’ll just place their desperate hopes on something else.

        Anything to avoid having to actually do something themselves.

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        the idiots waiting for the midterm will juts push the goal post further

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      What other options do you propose?

      I’m aware the midterms aren’t failsafe, but they’re the closest thing to hope that we have.

      And if people make the same mistake as last time by boycotting the vote, then their defeatism will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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          I’m not pretending it’s likely that we’ll have free and fair elections followed by a peaceful transfer of power, but we’re also not in “no chance in hell” territory yet, and it is our most likely option.

          If midterms come and go and it becomes obvious that elections were not both free and fair, or if there is no peaceful transfer of power in accordance with the will of the people as expressed by a free and fair election, then the third and fifth sentences of the Declaration of Independence come into effect.

          Until that time, or under more favorable conditions, the fourth sentence of the Declaration applies.

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        if we are relying on legal processes, we wait until midterms, magically retake the house and enough of the senate to impeach and unseat. that places the speaker of the house (not maga) in.

        if we are relying on extralegal methods, we really ought to have better operational security than to discuss it on the internet. so…

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          That’s the thing, you won’t find the resistance units online at all if they’re smart. Can’t even take a turned off cellphone with you, we really should have studied more of the French and Norwegian resistances as well as other countries need to do what they did to Germany in WWII.

          Edit: A missed word that changes a lot.

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        In the medical industry there is a unit called the ICU, the Intensive Care Unit. This is where the ventilators live. A common side remark made by staff, depending on the day, the type of patients there, is that they are vegetable gardeners. Crude, but oftentimes accurate.

        90 year old grandmas whose time has come, who have died, but the families are not ready to let go. So, grandma now lays in ICU, with broken ribs from the CPR that brought her back, unconscious, muscles atrophying and body deconditioning to anything but a bed. Brain dead people who are “fighters” who are “gonna pull through”. And so on. Passive bodies, carefully tended and watered in perpetuity, until the ethics committee gets involved or the family runs out of money after insurance runs out. We have this technology.

        The question here is, even if Donald Trump dies, will he be allowed to officially die? Or will he become an orange flower in an ICU vegetable garden, tended and watered in perpetuity?

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          It occurs to me that none of his brain-dead followers will believe that it’s him unless they keep spray tanning a face onto the aforementioned vegetable.

          They’d sooner believe it’s an AI fake and the “real” one has been abducted by Antifa, Greenland, Canada, or all of the above.

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      yes, we already know there are idiots everywhere… I mean, thse are the same idiots that couldn’t be bothered voting last time

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    Venezuela should have been the line. Want to make it Greenland? So, they can take mexico, Cuba?

    Each inch they take is too much. They have proven that they are following the Fascist guidebook.

    Venezuela is the first step. Same as Hitler with Poland.

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      No one, absolutely no one will come defend Greenland, not even Denmark. They would have to send F35 to defend it, with their missions entry going through a server… in the US!! (And these geniuses doubled down, ordering more F35 last october, and they just ordered more military equipment from the US!).

      No NATO member will declare war to the US.

      The only option they would have is to immediately build a military base in Greenland with forces from all European countries, ready to fight. And then, MAYBE Trump will think twice before invading it.

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      Poland was the last step, which is what started WWII. I think you mean Czechoslovakia (or maybe the Rhineland) was the first step.

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      Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.

      As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.

      THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.

      Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.

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        First they came for the Communists
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a Communist

        Then they came for the Socialists
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a Socialist

        Then they came for the trade unionists
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a trade unionist

        Then they came for the Jews
        And I did not speak out
        Because I was not a Jew

        Then they came for me
        And there was no one left
        To speak out for me

        • Martin Niemöller

        Attacking communists is the first step. That’s where the line needs to be drawn. Not an inch to fascism.

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          Yes, my opinion can be changed for Mexico, and it would be made in the moment.

          Frankly I wish our governments would more openly stand with one another. I would support it 100%

          By the way, the words Niemoller wrote refer to internal oppression and disenfranchisement. For any example of an external analogue in the same time period, consider UK agreement with Poland, that eventually pulled them into the war and which they courageously honored and defended. We don’t have such an agreement with Mexico.

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        I am Mexican Canadian.

        Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.

        If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.

        So, why do disagree?

        Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”

        Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)

        The manifest Destiny is no joke.

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          I agree on everything you’ve said.

          If I may ask, and forgive my ignorance: Am I wrong about Mexico? Is there any room for mutual support? Or is Canada generally an afterthought in Mexico, or worse, not trusted?

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          indeed and the Alamo was setup to fail to create an excuse to invade Mexico. There were more Texas-Mexicans defending the Alamo than Caucasians.

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        Why would you term Greenland a protectorate? It’s the territory of an ally.

        It saddens me that Americans seem to be incapable of understanding even the concept of an ally.

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          I meant that it is under the NATO umbrella. I have no interest, and I would not support, any Canadian involvement in Greenland beyond our help and support in the face of American aggression.

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        US is in NATO so it doesn’t matter, to be honest NATO without US doesn’t exists because it’s EU, UK, US and Canada, that’s why EU wants Canada in and to be honest Canada should join to keep itself inside old union. US is heading towards BRICS right now.

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          Ironically I think joining BRICS would be a great move for the EU right now, both as an immediate out from the dollar based economic order and to pretty much jam soft power crowbar into BRICS itself that might turn it into a more open economic union and not just Chinas (and Russia playing with an unplugged controllers) sphere of influence.

          That said I’m probably missing a TON of nuance that makes my take basic and dumb.

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        and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba

        Could you provide a source for this claim?