Apparently the US Department of DefenseWar thinks that they can order non-US citizens not resident in the USA to cease and desist from mailing things.

Uh…

Hilarity of the items involved aside, the gall of the US military postal service to give orders to civilians not under their command and not even of their nation is shocking.

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    This is squarely on the military personnel ordering buttplugs to their work address.

    If you did that anywhere else you’d get in trouble.

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    In some fairness it sounds like the Kingdom of Bahrain are the weird ones here. But still, it sounds like all other arguments aside, she has no way of knowing if a soldier is any particular place. So asking her to stop sending to soldiers in that region is kind of pointless.

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    It’s pretty standard for American commenters on social media to unthinkingly assume that American law is somehow “universal.” I guess that’s the level that the American government in general has descended to at this point.

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      Yeah, you see stories of Americans in foreign countries being detained or arrested and they are like “I know my rights” LOL. Clearly you don’t.

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        You also see Canadians citing their First Amendment right to free speech, which is always amusing.

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          It’s like one of my idiot friends who keeps going on about “the feds”. The feds in question apparently operate in North Yorkshire. Personally I’m sceptical.

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          I know this isn’t what they’re doing at all, but I like to think they’re actually referring to the first amendment of our constitution. I find it comical to think they’re that passionate about either the establishment of Manitoba (technically the first amendment) or strengthening Indigenous peoples’ rights (first amendment after 1982 when we achieved full sovereignty).

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            Next time you hear it, you should respond with something like, “Hell yeah, respect to the First Nations.”

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    Ah so it’s not just the department of war it’s also Bahrain’s backwards laws, and the US is obligated to do this any time shit gets sent back I guess.

    It’s really silly since she even says they have no idea where it’s going when they ship to soliders.

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      They really shouldn’t have made such a big deal out of it because now it’s going to definitely happen more often.

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    If I recall correctly this was more an amusing story of troops stationed in a country where these items were illegal ordering these things to the base and the military trying to remind people to respect local laws. This is probably more about the military not wanting a diplomatic incident with the host country than them morality policing themselves. Reminding a business to not ship items to a country where those items are illegal seems a pretty reasonable thing. For now the US military doesn’t care if you order butt plugs to the base, they care if you bring butt plugs into a country where they are illegal.

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      It’s a very US thing to do, that, blaming the adult store instead of or alongside their soldiers.

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      Yeah because the US is really big on respecting local laws and not causing international incidents. I’m sure a quick perusal of current and historical headlines will reaffirm this stands.

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    Apparently the US Department of DefenseWar

    You had it right the first time.

    Congress hasn’t made the name change official.

    It’s not legally changed just because Trump waved his magic wand sharpie and wished it to change.

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        In some ways it’s a bit of a shame that he lacks self-awareness. If he knew what he was doing he could have renamed the press department to be the Department Of Truth and gone all in on the Draconian.

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    So what I find interesting is that this exact story was reported in CTV like a week ago, but in this one, the reasoning has changed somehow?

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/stop-sending-butt-plugs-to-bahrain-toronto-sex-store-receives-letters-from-us-department-of-war/

    Originally reported, the problem was that Bahrain does not allow adult items to be shipped to them. But the adult shop said that it actually doesn’t ship to Bahrain and most of Asia because of rules like that making it more complicated to do business. Owner said that it was likely forwarded to a base (so a third party shipper, something the shop has zero control over.)

    But in this one, the rationale has changed to “these objects are dangerous”, and I don’t see focus being placed on the third-party seller shipper.

    edit: shipper, not seller. We don’t know if this was after market, just that it’s not directly shipped. They might actually have some amount of control over that, if that’s the case, because they would have needed to label the original package as being shipped to Bahrain.

    The more I think about this story, the more I think that it’s being ramped up as a “look how the US military is interfering with canada on behalf of a middle eastern country!” instead of like “someone made a mistake by ordering something not allowed in Bahrain, and the business didn’t check whether they were allowed to ship it there or not.” I dont get what the big deal here is. This actually kinda looks bad on the business now that I take a second look at it.

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      From the article:

      The United States Postal Service and the DOD work together through the Military Postal Service Agency (MPSA), managed by the Army, to provide worldwide mail services (APO/FPO/DPO) for service members. These address formats don’t reveal the country, just the person and military unit.

      Bennett had no idea her business’s products were going to a country where they would be illegal.

      So how exactly is it her fault if someone buys something they will have shipped somewhere, she has no idea where it’s going, and the MSPA redirects it there? How does she even know where it’s going? Certainly, the buyer should have known, as should the MSPS.

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        Yeah I saw that part in the article too, but you actually can tell what country something is going to from the APO/FPO/DPO code.

        Im not denying that the buyer had responsibility in this.

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          Wait so everybody in the world is required to just understand US military shipping codes? Assuming that information is even on the delivery package (because you could also just have someone in the US redirect the product after receiving it).

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      Why would it look bad on the business? You, yourself, said earlier:

      the adult shop said that it actually doesn’t ship to Bahrain and most of Asia