Just a little reminder.
Pisses me off to no end that they use the Canadian identity for marketing when they sold out decades ago.
Also their coffee and food has been shit for a long time too, coincidence? I think not.
(Engage old fart mode)
It wasn’t that long ago that Tim Hortons restaurants baked their own donuts in house. Fresh all the time. It was their draw.
Fast forward and they truck in everything frozen from a manufacturing plant. Things aren’t made there anymore - they’re thawed and assembled. And it tastes like it.
They used to be legendary for their coffee, but a few years ago they let their agreement with their coffee supplier to lapse. McDonald’s scooped it right up which suddenly put McCafe on the map. Tim’s found a new supplier but the coffee wasn’t nearly as good.
Aren’t a bunch of their franchises also under investigation for Temporary Foreign Worker program abuse?
It’s just been death by a thousand really stupid cuts.
The term is ‘enshittification’ and it’s practically the default business strategy for extracting cash from brand value.
Buy/make a good company by offering a quality service and then spend the next decade cutting costs until the product is terrible.
Most people won’t notice the incremental changes. It’s often likened to boiling a frog.
Hot take, but the donuts being frozen is not a bad thing. I work in a grocer and people never know that our bread products are not fresh until they “catch” us putting the frozen products on the shelf. We don’t hide it, and nobody complains about the quality. In fact, they love it. If the donuts taste like shit, its because they were shit donuts, not because they were frozen. While seeing and knowing the donuts are being made fresh on site is a magical thing, you absolutely can retain 99% of the quality with frozen. Ideally, the savings would be passed on to the consumer though.
But pizza, sandwiches, and shit tasting coffee, I got nothing for that. It is meant to be a coffee shop at its core, so I don’t know why the fuck they’d ruin the coffee so much. It’s not like its hard either, you can make a machine do it for you. They’re trying too hard to be like Starbucks. I understand trying to appeal to a new generation of Canadians, but they really missed the mark. If they wanted to seriously compete with Starbucks, they are completely half-assing it.
You can argue that most donuts being frozen isn’t too bad (particularly the cake donuts), but crullers are entirely different products from frozen.
It’s a fried good, not a baked good. Bread comes out of the freezer ALMOST as good as it went in, but it’s never going to be fresh baked bread again. With fried goods, its even more pronounced. Like when you get french fries, you get a narrow window of like ten minutes before they are stale. And they’re still good, but they’re different. A freshly fried donut and a day old donut, no matter how it was made and preserved, are not the same thing.
people never know that our bread products are not fresh until they “catch” us putting the frozen products on the shelf.
I don’t think you’re fooling as many people as you think. Grocery store bread is absolute garbage. Like a packing peanut with a hard shell. Try real bread from a bakery sometime and get back to me.
Worked in a commercial bakery as well as a grocery store bakery. I promise you that bread can be heated from frozen and you would not know the difference. There’s a really good chance the bakery you are buying bread from contracts a commercial bread baker. Bread ovens are big and many don’t have the space for them and non-bread ovens for other stuff.
Tim Hortons have been pooping (autoassume changed that from popping, but I’m fucking leaving it!) up here in the UK, not loads of locations, and weirdly not in some of the places you’d expect. First one was in Glasgow, I believe, but there still aren’t any in Edinburgh, or London. I work up the Forth Valley from Edinburgh, and there’s one in the town I work in, and two more within a 20-30 minute drive. So it seems to be mostly small towns and Glasgow with a Tims.
Doughnuts are the same pish quality as back home, but the (drip) coffee is surprisingly way better! Pretty sure they had to step up their game because they didn’t already dominate the “pop in for a to go cuppa” market here. They’re also one of the few places I’ve seen here in the UK where you can get a filter coffee.
I’m participating in the US product boycott from here, in solidarity with my family and nation. Just thought the difference between quality here vs home was interesting.In Cobourg, Ontario, a Tim Hortons store got into the news because after the minimum wage was raised they cut their employees benefits.
The interesting part was that the store was owned by the son of one of the Tim Hortons founders and the daughter of the other founder, who had married. There was a bit of a backlash, to put it mildly.
I worked there during the frozen donut transition. A few really cool stoner night bakers got let go from my store.
And replaced with cheap, exploitable TFWs!
I never cared for Tim Horton’s coffee, so I didn’t mind the change.
Most people don’t really drink coffee they drink coffee flavoured cream and sugar. This is why the Starbucks milk drinks are so popular. The quality of the underlying coffee is less important when you double double everything.
Yeah, I had Mink reverse press coffee. It is amazing, and adding milk or cream hides the amazing flavour. Technically they are a chocolatier.
Yup! Their coffee has noticeably degraded since.
Ugh seriously? So like where can I go fast food wise that IS Canadian owned? Harvey’s and AnW and Swiss chalet?
I don’t eat a lot of fast food but when I do Tim Hortons has been my go to. I’m not supporting American owned so I guess there goes that.
Mary Brown’s has good chicken. Big Mary Monday deal used to be good, don’t have any around here now.
A&W is awesome. Canadian ones are locally owned by franchisees and it shows in the quality. Antibiotic free run Canadian chicken last I checked. Free run Canadian eggs. Good quality Canadian beef. Canadian vege for the most part I think… All for the same price as the slop served at other fast food joints these days. The coffee isn’t my favourite but I know lots of people that like going there for breakfast and don’t seem to mind. Usually has a decent sit down atmosphere for breakfast. Lots of them host car meets still in the summer.
I WISH Robin’s Donuts was still around. Unfortunately Timmies all but put them out of business before enshittifying. I randomly found one up around Lake Superior a couple years ago in some small town if I remember right. They must have bought out the location and kept it going. They were still baking fresh donuts in house, had the same mugs, same coffee. It was like stepping into a time capsule and made me loathe what capitalism has done to Timmies.
For coffee you are usually best finding whatever local non-chain café you like best and stick with that. If I’m visiting somewhere I’m not familiar with I just search for a non-chain café and get to try some new coffee.
If you really like the chain coffee shop vibe I believe Blenz and Second Cup are both decent Canadian founded and owned still, maybe someone else can confirm, I can’t find the details rn
Edit: to add emphasis
As for fast food, Harveys is Canadian by my understanding. So is Mary browns (my favourite) which isn’t even available in America last time I checked
Tim Hortons isn’t American owned, but technically brazillian of you go by the major shareholderof the toronto headquartered company.
Still though, it’s heavily degraded over the years and isn’t in actuality Canadian owned.
This is a good little video about how they got to the point they’re at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ58noGoBm4
They are basically the poster child of enshittification (as far as Canadian restaurants go anyway).
I saw Pepsico use Canada brand advertising for Doritos. Was really confusing why they thought it would work
At this point the only Canadian thing about them is in showing how dumb we can be.
I know people who go there, complain about the coffee but go there out of nostalgia … on a daily basis.
They aren’t buying a brand, a product or even food … they’re just buying a memory.
At this point the only Canadian thing about them is in showing how dumb we can be.
* Buys Tim Horton’s.
* Proceeds to vote for Doug Ford and Pierre Poilievre.That’s it! … that’s the reason! … fanatical conservatism in the Tim Horton’s coffee!!!
There’s a tiny café owned by a couple literally right around the corner from the nearest Tim’s to me.
It’s definitely a little pricier but FAR better quality. They’ve also got crapes and waffles and stuff. But sometimes I’ll just go in for a cappuccino.
I’ve become probably their best customer since I go there so often. Despite the fact that Tim’s is closer and cheaper.
Not only is it Canadian (plus some European products) it’s a local business. All the better.
Edit: That being said, Tim’s is cheap so that usually what I’ll have when the café isn’t an option. It’s not American owned thankfully. I wish it was still Canadian though.
Definitely, the quality difference is unbelievable!
I find most of the people I know that complain cafés are too expensive drink drip anyways and it seems to be about the same price everywhere 🤷♂️. Its $2.16 for a large drip at Tim’s here, and $2-$3 at most every local café I’ve ever been to apart from really bougie ones.
People just see the $4-6+ milk drinks and blended frozen drinks (with real ingredients, apples-oranges) and get sticker shock compared to Tim’s fake whipped topping and sweetener sludge (sorry, “iced capp”) for $4.19 when they could be enjoying much better drip in the meantime for effectively the same price.
So as a non Canadian that frequents Ontario and BC, are there any Canadian-owned coffee places I can look for?
I liked Timmy’s because they even have one in Blue Mountain village and a lot of the middle of nowhere roads I have to drive to get there
BC has Waves, Serious Coffee, Island Grind, Blenz, JJ Bean, and more but thats what I can recall off the top of my head.
Ottawa has Bridgehead
Tim Horton’s is still Canadian. Burger King did not buy them. The two share an owner who is headquartered in Canada.
Burger King owns them
Restaurant Brands International owns them along with Burger King, Popeye’s Chicken, and Firehouse Subs. They are headquartered in Toronto, Canada.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant_Brands_International
Oh, is that why Popeyes has been crap for a long while now?
And they are almost wholly owned by 3G Capital, a Brasilian conglomerate. RBI is just a technicality.
30% according to Wikipedia. Where’s your info from?
I stand corrected, 3G Capital had a 71% stake in Burger King before RBI existed.
3G Capital now owns 30% of RBI, a company that is half-american, I still wouldn’t consider Tim Hortons “Canadian-owned” because it’s only partly true.
I also think RBI drove most of its franchises into the ground. I can’t remember the last time I went to Burger King, and I only go to Tim Hortons very occasionally for ice caps.
I think their only good franchise is Popeye’s, and it doesn’t exist in Quebec. Never heard of firehouse subs.
