The linked source is a dedicated propaganda outlet operating under the Chinese Communist Party’s censorship regime.
It’s amazing that some users criticize (rightfully) if one posts U.S.-owned media outlets, calling them biased, while the wumaos and ziganwus then post sources directly from a dictatorial government in China.
And, yes, all EVs are able to collect data, but if and when the data goes to China we must recognize that it goes to the largest dictatorship in history, and the Chinese government has been using such leverage in other countries for political gains and coercion.
It makes a huge difference, and PM Mark Carney knows that as he himself called out China as Canada’s biggest security threat. This was less than a year ago.
What data though? With thousands of cars that can connect to cell networks, wifi networks, bluetooth devices, and gps you get a fleet of war drivers.
By corrilating times, locations and mac addresses it would be trivial to find and track individuals using their personal devices.
Yes any government COULD do this but there would be loads of red tape and negotiating with manufactures. Chinese manufactures have no choice, they ship surveillance software when they are told to or they don’t get to sell internationally.
Yes any government COULD do this but there would be loads of red tape and negotiating with manufactures. Chinese manufactures have no choice, they ship surveillance software when they are told to or they don’t get to sell internationally.
Any other government would have to work with manufactures operating in other countries, it would be a big project to get all the different parties involved on the same page quietly.
The Chinese government can dictate what Chinese manufactures do, there is no negotiating or wrangling, just you do it or you are replaced by someone who can. Non compliant business don’t get to be international businesses.
That used to be the case. The surveillance model has evolved over the last couple of decades. The governments don’t have to do anything silently. Private corps do it themselves or amonst each other for profit. Then the gov’t buys access. E.g. Palantir, Clearview, etc.
Then recently we even had cases where the owners of copos got into gov’t and scooped up whatever data they wanted without any regard of any red tape.
Besides, if the gov’t is small and business dominates people’s lives, what private corporations do is often much more impactful.
Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
All Chinese corps that work internationally are compelled to work for the party. If that means allowing access to customer data or actively collecting certain types of data then they do it. This means it’s possible to correlate massive amounts of data from many sources in a way that is not feasible for western governments.
Consider, what if China wanted to know where the PM was at any point in time, anywhere in the world? They have access to data collected by every Chinese phone app and every Chinese EV. They could start by identifying the devices owned by the PM’s staff or friends via TikTok, WeChat, Aliexpress, Temu, or a car’s user profile. A lot of users just click “allow all” which gives the app access to contacts, browsing data, etc.
From there they could identify the PM’s devices, even if they have no Chinese software on them, by correlating the mac addresses of devices and their location. If he makes a public appearance and several identified people are seen with him then it gets even easier. Once the PM’s devices’ mac addresses are identified they can be tracked anytime they, or his staff, get within 100 feet of a BYD car or phone running a Chinese app (where the user enabled all privileges).
I agree that China is different in this regard. The gov’t has superiority over the private sector. That has pros and cons.
Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
I just can’t agree with that based on my observations. Private firms working with the government on profit-driven agendas has been happening for a long time. The gov’t very often hires private firm insiders at decisionmaking positions. And then when the gov’t has a non-profit agenda, private corporations still cooperate because it means better chance to cooperate on a for-profit agenda in the future. This is the economic basis of fascism. All of that is occurring south of the border as we speak.
I understand what you’re saying even if I don’t agree and I don’t expect you to agree with what I’m saying on this one.
E: I find it’s a lot more useful to think that private firms drive gov’t agendas in our systems, not the other way around.
The linked source is a dedicated propaganda outlet operating under the Chinese Communist Party’s censorship regime.
It’s amazing that some users criticize (rightfully) if one posts U.S.-owned media outlets, calling them biased, while the wumaos and ziganwus then post sources directly from a dictatorial government in China.
One thing this SCMP propaganda medium doesn’t mention is that Canadian interest in China-made EVs is tempered by data concerns, according to a survey.
And, yes, all EVs are able to collect data, but if and when the data goes to China we must recognize that it goes to the largest dictatorship in history, and the Chinese government has been using such leverage in other countries for political gains and coercion.
It makes a huge difference, and PM Mark Carney knows that as he himself called out China as Canada’s biggest security threat. This was less than a year ago.
the comment is from a dedicated spam account operating to spread sinophobia and hate
Which is the bigger problem.
so just pull the SIM card. BTW…most modern cars collect data, and a lot of driving data is collected by your phone.
What data though? With thousands of cars that can connect to cell networks, wifi networks, bluetooth devices, and gps you get a fleet of war drivers.
By corrilating times, locations and mac addresses it would be trivial to find and track individuals using their personal devices.
Yes any government COULD do this but there would be loads of red tape and negotiating with manufactures. Chinese manufactures have no choice, they ship surveillance software when they are told to or they don’t get to sell internationally.
Any vehicle with OTA access needs a SIM card.
BYD clearly states you can disable OTA in the car menu. If you don’t believe that, it’s easy to locate and pull the SIM card.
They don’t magically connect to data services.
So exactly what is China going to do with exabytes of data on how people drive around? They are going to monitor millions of drivers? how?
Any serious source for this? How about we reserve the paranoia for our ex-friends down south?
Just China?
Any other government would have to work with manufactures operating in other countries, it would be a big project to get all the different parties involved on the same page quietly.
The Chinese government can dictate what Chinese manufactures do, there is no negotiating or wrangling, just you do it or you are replaced by someone who can. Non compliant business don’t get to be international businesses.
That used to be the case. The surveillance model has evolved over the last couple of decades. The governments don’t have to do anything silently. Private corps do it themselves or amonst each other for profit. Then the gov’t buys access. E.g. Palantir, Clearview, etc.
Then recently we even had cases where the owners of copos got into gov’t and scooped up whatever data they wanted without any regard of any red tape.
Besides, if the gov’t is small and business dominates people’s lives, what private corporations do is often much more impactful.
China is different from the western world.
Western corps have money in mind when they collect data, whether legally or illegally, and use it to increase sales or fuck over competitors. They don’t work together in a coordinated way to help a particular government work an agenda.
All Chinese corps that work internationally are compelled to work for the party. If that means allowing access to customer data or actively collecting certain types of data then they do it. This means it’s possible to correlate massive amounts of data from many sources in a way that is not feasible for western governments.
Consider, what if China wanted to know where the PM was at any point in time, anywhere in the world? They have access to data collected by every Chinese phone app and every Chinese EV. They could start by identifying the devices owned by the PM’s staff or friends via TikTok, WeChat, Aliexpress, Temu, or a car’s user profile. A lot of users just click “allow all” which gives the app access to contacts, browsing data, etc.
From there they could identify the PM’s devices, even if they have no Chinese software on them, by correlating the mac addresses of devices and their location. If he makes a public appearance and several identified people are seen with him then it gets even easier. Once the PM’s devices’ mac addresses are identified they can be tracked anytime they, or his staff, get within 100 feet of a BYD car or phone running a Chinese app (where the user enabled all privileges).
I agree that China is different in this regard. The gov’t has superiority over the private sector. That has pros and cons.
I just can’t agree with that based on my observations. Private firms working with the government on profit-driven agendas has been happening for a long time. The gov’t very often hires private firm insiders at decisionmaking positions. And then when the gov’t has a non-profit agenda, private corporations still cooperate because it means better chance to cooperate on a for-profit agenda in the future. This is the economic basis of fascism. All of that is occurring south of the border as we speak.
I understand what you’re saying even if I don’t agree and I don’t expect you to agree with what I’m saying on this one.
E: I find it’s a lot more useful to think that private firms drive gov’t agendas in our systems, not the other way around.
Exactly what vital data will China get from monitoring cars?
What will they do with all that data? There will be exabytes of data flowing from cars stuck on the 403 every day.
What about Tesla data in control of a Nazi and Fascist supporter.