The US has to come up with court orders and warrants to get data from third parties like GM or Ford, and those companies are not compelled to collect any particular dataset. Every Chinese business is, by default, required to both capture all data and share it with the Chinese government, and they are required not to disclose that they were collecting and sharing that data.
So? I the US the data is sent to third parties with your géo-localisation data and driving data, along with other personal info. Third parties like insurance companies, marketing companies, AI, etc. It’s like your car is essentially Meta
Exactly, gov’t access isn’t nearly the main problem as a lot of our lives are controlled by private corporations. Besides, the gov’t can buy access to this data from data broker firms.
It definitely is a main problem, at least in democratic countries. Spying on citizens without reason violates the constitution.
But China isn’t a democracy but rather a dictatorship. That makes the situation even worse, and privacy isn’t by far the only violation of human rights committed by the government in Beijing as we know.
People literally telling you in this thread why for them it isn’t. You can ignore them all u want and tell them they’re wrong. Won’t change a thing as that doesn’t stop their car insurance company making their lives more expensive using data collected from American cars.
Tracking your driving habits is a privacy violation but not the biggest issue with Chinese cars. The Chinese government has unrestricted access to collected data AND they can compel manufactures to collect specific kinds of data. That turns Chinese cars into a fleet or war drivers.
With thousands of vehicles recording every WiFi point and bluetooth device that passes in range you can track other devices and other vehicles that are not of Chinese origin. For example, a politician or members of that politician’s entourage could have their phone’s wifi and bt mac identified at a public event by a Chinese agent. From that point on they can be tracked anytime they pass within a hundred meters of a Chinese car. Even if the VIP is practicing good opsec their entourage may have a personal device that is identifiable. This would let the Chinese government get a heads up on meetings with businesses or other heads of state about which they would not have otherwise known.
And this is the most trivial example, it would require so little data transmission from each car that it could be hidden in regular diagnostic and update communications.
Do you understand how many Chinese devices are already out there with all the same capabilities? I’m sorry but the west offshore those capabilities back in the 80s and 90s.
I think that privacy is being violated in numerous ways by all modern vehicles but China has been actively manipulating Canadian politics and Canadians in the past decade. They have world domination in mind and are willing to play the longest game necessary to achieve that goal.
Who influenced the brexit vote? Hint: it wasn’t China.
Who is influencing the Alberta separatist movement? Not China.
Who was also accused of interfering in the latest Québec provincial elections? Not China.
What is the #1 source of information for most of the people in the western hemisphere? American social media platforms. Also the biggest news networks are owned by Americans. Streaming platforms? Americans.
Americans got their noses in everybody’s business. They’re influencing and interfering in elections left and right through these platforms, shady deals, and tarifs.
Now, I’m not saying China isn’t involved in some interference. Because they are. But their influence is nothing compared to the U.S.
But I don’t think they’re weaponizing EVs to the extent you’re suggesting. Cybersec experts will be all over that shit and their business here would be shut down. It would break trust and cut off an important chunk of revenue.
National Intelligence Law of the People’s Republic of China (2017)
Aritcle 7: “All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of.”
Article 10: “As necessary for their work, national intelligence work institutions are to use the necessary means, tactics, and channels to carry out intelligence efforts, domestically and abroad.”
The Chinese gov can tell it’s auto manufactures to collect any data and they will. Non-compliance means being removed from your position of power are replaced with a more responsible figure.
So do American cars. What else is new?
I don’t like it regardless of where the car company is from.
It’s my car. You don’t get to use it to snoop on me. I don’t care which country the snoops are in.
Amen
The US has to come up with court orders and warrants to get data from third parties like GM or Ford, and those companies are not compelled to collect any particular dataset. Every Chinese business is, by default, required to both capture all data and share it with the Chinese government, and they are required not to disclose that they were collecting and sharing that data.
So? I the US the data is sent to third parties with your géo-localisation data and driving data, along with other personal info. Third parties like insurance companies, marketing companies, AI, etc. It’s like your car is essentially Meta
Exactly, gov’t access isn’t nearly the main problem as a lot of our lives are controlled by private corporations. Besides, the gov’t can buy access to this data from data broker firms.
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It definitely is a main problem, at least in democratic countries. Spying on citizens without reason violates the constitution.
But China isn’t a democracy but rather a dictatorship. That makes the situation even worse, and privacy isn’t by far the only violation of human rights committed by the government in Beijing as we know.
People literally telling you in this thread why for them it isn’t. You can ignore them all u want and tell them they’re wrong. Won’t change a thing as that doesn’t stop their car insurance company making their lives more expensive using data collected from American cars.
I don’t see how that relates to what I have said. This is a deflection to play down China’s violations?
Re-read the thread including your own comment. If that doesn’t help. I can’t help you. There are courses in English.
There are also courses in democracy and critical thinking.
I stop this conversation now. There’s nothing meaningful to expect.
Bingo.
Tracking your driving habits is a privacy violation but not the biggest issue with Chinese cars. The Chinese government has unrestricted access to collected data AND they can compel manufactures to collect specific kinds of data. That turns Chinese cars into a fleet or war drivers.
With thousands of vehicles recording every WiFi point and bluetooth device that passes in range you can track other devices and other vehicles that are not of Chinese origin. For example, a politician or members of that politician’s entourage could have their phone’s wifi and bt mac identified at a public event by a Chinese agent. From that point on they can be tracked anytime they pass within a hundred meters of a Chinese car. Even if the VIP is practicing good opsec their entourage may have a personal device that is identifiable. This would let the Chinese government get a heads up on meetings with businesses or other heads of state about which they would not have otherwise known.
And this is the most trivial example, it would require so little data transmission from each car that it could be hidden in regular diagnostic and update communications.
Do you understand how many Chinese devices are already out there with all the same capabilities? I’m sorry but the west offshore those capabilities back in the 80s and 90s.
I understand what you’re saying. And you’re right.
But I think you’re missing the point.
I think that privacy is being violated in numerous ways by all modern vehicles but China has been actively manipulating Canadian politics and Canadians in the past decade. They have world domination in mind and are willing to play the longest game necessary to achieve that goal.
Hahahahahaha brother hold up.
Who influenced the brexit vote? Hint: it wasn’t China.
Who is influencing the Alberta separatist movement? Not China.
Who was also accused of interfering in the latest Québec provincial elections? Not China.
What is the #1 source of information for most of the people in the western hemisphere? American social media platforms. Also the biggest news networks are owned by Americans. Streaming platforms? Americans.
Americans got their noses in everybody’s business. They’re influencing and interfering in elections left and right through these platforms, shady deals, and tarifs.
Now, I’m not saying China isn’t involved in some interference. Because they are. But their influence is nothing compared to the U.S.
The US barely plans 4 years into the future, China plans 40 years at a minimum.
You are focusing on the squirrel in your garden when there is a bear watching from the end of the driveway.
Oh, no doubt.
But I don’t think they’re weaponizing EVs to the extent you’re suggesting. Cybersec experts will be all over that shit and their business here would be shut down. It would break trust and cut off an important chunk of revenue.
How do you know the Chinese business are REQUIRED to capture ALL data? What constitutes “all” data?
National Intelligence Law of the People’s Republic of China (2017)
Aritcle 7: “All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of.”
Article 10: “As necessary for their work, national intelligence work institutions are to use the necessary means, tactics, and channels to carry out intelligence efforts, domestically and abroad.”
The Chinese gov can tell it’s auto manufactures to collect any data and they will. Non-compliance means being removed from your position of power are replaced with a more responsible figure.