If an election were held today, 48% of committed voters would vote Liberal, 32% Conservative, 9% NDP, 6% Bloc Québécois, 3% Green, 1% People’s Party, and 1% another party.

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    18 days ago

    No, and that’s why the NDP shouldn’t have elected Avi Lewis. Between the two of them, I vote Carney. Now, replace him with Stiles and we talk.

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      18 days ago

      Disagreed. Stiles will lead to another ford win as she rides the centre and it doesn’t work.

      Avi Lewis is finally pushing the party back to its worker roots and this is the NDPs only real chance.

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        17 days ago

        If Ford wins, it will be because the 60% of voters who don’t want him to win can’t make up their minds who they want to replace him. When Lewis loses (again), it will be because he’s told the 70% of people who might consider voting NDP he doesn’t want them.

        I live in a provincial NDP riding. Every riding in this city except one went NDP in 2025. And yes, I voted for that. I will be surprised as hell if Lewis doesn’t lose seats.

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        17 days ago

        You deleted your other comment, so I’ll just put this here instead.

        Avi has run. Twice. In two different ridings. He came in third in both elections. Sure, he wasn’t the NDP leader at the time, but name recognition should have worked in his favour. Ask yourself why it didn’t.

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          17 days ago

          No, canadians punished Singh and as they should have. He was a Rolex wearing pretend progressive. You can ignore that he tanked the party all you want but that’s fine. Also, true progressive and pro worker messages will always take more effort and time as they get attacked on all sides by monied voices. Layton lost a lot of elections before he started winning some.

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            16 days ago

            The difference between Layton and Lewis is I’d have voted for Layton, and did. And also Layton advocated for things that would have actually benefited me. I’m not benifitting from a public grocery store, or a unionized job in the trades, just to pick two.

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              16 days ago

              I voted for Layton too and met him and Olivia multiple times in the early days. He was amazing. But check his record during the Dion days. He was more of a centrist than you remember perhaps. He was on the frontlines with unions but voted to make deals with neoliberals. He was winning us over because he was the first genuine attempt at a progressive alternative. But in his time leading the party he did very little to push worker friendly deals. I get it why. That wasnt his job. But its Lewis’.

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                16 days ago

                So far I’ve heard nothing out of Lewis that’s friendly to this worker. Until that changes, my vote doesn’t.

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                  16 days ago

                  Huh???

                  I met him in 2007 when he was repping the Take, which is a film explicitly highlighting worker ownership and inspired me to co-found a workers cooperative. He has authored dozens of works promoting workers rights since them. And now he has a platform dedicated to protecting workers in a digital economy, which is absolutely a good thing, and has worked for decades to expand union rights.

                  No NDP leader (or any political leader) has as long a pro worker track sheet as Lewis and he has made it central to his campaign.

                  Makes me wonder where you are coming from. Were you unaware of the above perhaps?

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                    16 days ago

                    So he’s pro-union, not pro-worker. Great if you’re in a union, but fuck the rest of us.

                    I met him in 2007 when he was repping the Take, which is a film explicitly highlighting worker ownership and inspired me to co-found a workers cooperative.

                    Was that before, during or after his time as a journalist with CBC? We already have one of those. He’s the AI minister.

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                17 days ago

                After they elected performative, useless, moronic leaders who destroyed the party for anyone who isn’t a partisan ideologue.

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                  17 days ago

                  Okay but thats not who they just elected. You dont seen to be discussing in good faith to be honest.

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                    I wish they manage to build momentum by the next general election, but it seems unlikely. NDP has successfully managed to nuter themselves to appease a few.

                    It’ll be a while before they grow enough balls for a blue collar worker to take them seriously again.

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      17 days ago

      Isn’t Stiles Ontario Provincial leader not federal? Why mix up the two?

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        17 days ago

        Yea, she’s Ontario NDP leader and a good one at that.

        OP didn’t mix it up. They said specifically yo replace Avi with Stiles at the federal level. That doesn’t mean she is a federal politician, but it’d be nice if she was the federal NDP leader.

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      18 days ago

      Couldn’t agree more. I hope Ontario stops crying about Bob Rae and give that lady a shot at governing.

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        18 days ago

        She’s got a better shot provincially than federally, which sucks because we need her federally. People keep mocking Pierre for losing his riding but Avi can’t even win one.

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            18 days ago

            He ran in two general elections, came in third for both. In two different ridings, I’ll add. 2021 and 2025.

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              18 days ago

              He ran for NDP under Singh. Thats as much Singhs fault as any NDP running under him. Also, he is the first to be trying to pull the party back to pro worker positions so give him time. Nearly every other NDP leader we’ve seen in a long while have been centrists and that rarely works out for them.

              Edit: for all your weird targeted Lewis hate i hope you at least acknowledge he is rising in polls, and starting to bite at CPC numbers. Singh and Mulcair did nothing but erase NDP support.

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                17 days ago

                Hey, he can have all the CPC voters he wants. Sooner that party resets the better for Canada. That by no means says he’ll lead the NDP to government, though.

                And if your bar is Singh, it’s on the floor. That supply and confidence agreement with Trudeau was dumb. And while that explains the result in 2025, what’s your excuse for 2021? Singh hadn’t screwed up the party yet.