Blatantly funded by the US. Where are all the “foreign interference!!!” Conservatives now? How is this legal??

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    You all wannabe Americans? Go ahead and move to the US. Apply for citizenship. No one is stopping you. You’re doing the rest of us a favor.

    But, you don’t get to take the land with you.

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      We could start by enforcing our laws. Foreign interference is everywhere, and we’ve just ignored it for decades. Eg, the US funds the Frasier Institute and no one makes any comment about this. Half of our media is owned by them. The convoy was subsidized by US funding. I don’t believe for a moment that the UCP and/or its members aren’t awash in US corporate bribes and cash promises.

      Our country is under threat and no one seems to do a damn thing about it. Why doesn’t any politician discuss this? Poilievre talks about Chinese interference, where is the concern for this interference by the US, very clearly our enemy??!

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      No one is stopping you

      To be fair, even if in the US legally, ICE is stopping you. And then shipping you off to some other foreign country’s jail.

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      We should have some citizenship exchange program so they can swap with those being persecuted in US for not being male white rich.

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    This is an ongoing operation by the CIA to Balkanize Canada. Canadians need to wake the fuck up.

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      The Canadian prosecution and courts absolutely need to squash this. Sub-state actors goin on random adventures like this causes war down the line - in fact we had a 30 Years’ war about that.

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      It’s just capitalism, baby! Just a business arrangement between two close personal friends in the oil industry. No need to get democracy involved.

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    Not going to happen. Plus, I’ve read that most of those that do want to separate don’t want join the US.

    Even IF the people of Alberta vote in favour of leaving Canada it still has to be approved by Parliament, and that is not happening at this time with the current seat counts for each party.

    I have lived in Calgary, Alberta for over 20 years. I don’t know a single person who would want to leave Canada. I also know that Alberta would not stand a chance alone. We DEPEND on the federal government for funding and other Provinces for goods. We’re land locked and have next to no manufacturing.

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      Plus, I’ve read that most of those that do want to separate don’t want join the US.

      That’s the fun part, once the US separates you from Canada, you don’t get a choice about whether you want to join the US anymore, because your collapsing economy leaves you no choice. Divide and conquer, literally.

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        Hopefully those that would vote to separate know this …

        IF on the off chance it happens there will be a mass exodus. I’d be moving to British Columbia in a heart beat.

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          Look at Brexit. Many people look no further than what’s on their Facebook feeds, making it quite easy to sway a referendum that fucks over a whole populace.

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            It amazes me that after seeing that complete shitshow that was Brexit that provincial separatists are like “Yea, this is exactly what we want and need to work towards”. Bottom of the cesspool bottom feeders the lot of them.

            Je dirige tout autant mes critiques acerbes vers les séparatistes québécois.

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        There’s no unilateral separation from Canada without reconciling all of the constitutionality protected indigenous land claims, and they’ve all indicated they have no interest. Also the Constitution would need to be renegotiated, and this would require all provinces. This will stretch any practical timeline for secession out indefinitely.

        The US interests have no bearing on this, unless they plan on invading.

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          Yup, they just did a full on genocide on their indigenous groups. I guess I wouldn’t rule out them to do it again.

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      Votes aren’t looking like they’re going to mean anything in the US anymore. Don’t be too confident they’re going to respect any vote in Alberta.

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    Trump cancels any talks with Canada over tariffs because of fords anti-tariff commercial, because we’re meddling in their politics, but these Nazi fucking yanks can do this?

    Time for Canada to cut off all talk with the filthy yanks, cut off the power we provide them and let them stew in the cold for a while.

    Fuck I hate America.

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    So it’s okay if Canada and the EU would support and fund the independence of California?

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      I would say no, and I would expect any sensible country to bar this within its borders. To the extent that a state should have a nonviolent means of secession, this above all should not be subject to foreign interference.

      You can find a more detailed view of my opinion on specific independence movements elsewhere in this thread.

      Regarding California or indeed any other state breaking away from the US, it’s none of our business. And, before you ask, in the highly unlikely event that they wished to join Canada, I would expect them to gain independence and then, separately, start any process of joining another country.

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      Russia already does. All such movements they will fund. Catalonia, california, texas, I forget the rest.

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    Kick these traitors out of Canada or prison. Carney needs to do something about this

    #treason

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    Always was. Make no mistake that Alberta is Canada’s Sudetenland/Crimea. Is it not obvious to say the US military appears more similar to Nazi Germany rather than Russia a couple years ago. Canada is stronger with Alberta and when it’s annexed there must be a fight or it’ll just be easier to get at the rest of greater Canada. Ideally to send a message, traitors/secessionists are imprisoned ASAP.

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    It’d be nice if the feds could chime in to take a verbal dump on the UCP aiding and abetting MAGA traitors.

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    Where are all the “foreign interference!!!” Conservatives now?

    Tucker Carlson and his lot are all in on this.

    This is an important distinction: foreign means “foreign.” Venezuela and Canada are considered to be the US’s back yard, hence fair game. This is what anti interventionist MAGA has been pushing and pushing for.

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    They can vote themselves out if they want.

    They don’t get the land, though; they trade their passport for a plane ticket.

    That’s the only deal they get. C’est bon?

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      I would be happy if separation means individual separation from Canada…they turn in their passport and get a ride over the border.

      But the US doesn’t want them they want the resources.

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        We always need oil field workers, but they better not be expecting any government handouts.

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      Can we just ship the dinks that agreed with it? The rest of us like where we live.

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        Can we just ship the dinks that agreed with it?

        I say that’s the only deal they get.

        The rest of us like where we live.

        I lived 8 years in the flatlands. It’s not without its beauty, generosity, heart, intellect and soul. None of these attributes are shown by the politicos, who just need some encouragement to pupate to carpetbaggers and improve everyone’s lives – ideally they can fly away as beautiful but-tah-flies (I can’t not hear the accent now) before their hungry caterpillar selves eat everything alive and green.