Extremely bad idea “laicite” is very wrong and as seen in France enforced selectively and against “others” to produce “conformity”.
Exactly
I’ve had people pray in front of the doors on a metro. Insane shit
The prayer part is irrelevant. They’re being a danger and an asshole.
I believe Quebec is right.
Religion is like sex. I’m not against sex. But you don’t do it at work or in the streets. You do it at home or in a place that is designed for that. And you don’t that with children.
This is one of these things I will never understand about English Canada. In the Anglosphere culture, people believe secularism means all religions should have the equal right to express themselves in public area.
In France, there is laicité. People don’t want to see any religion in public. Religion is considered a sensitive private matter. You can wear religious clothes and pray on your own time.
Some one asked people in European countries subreddit about their thoughts on Quebec’s laicity law. In France, the majority of respondents (about 99%?) said it was a great idea
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFrance/comments/104tov9/how_france_deals_with_religion_practice_in_its/
Let’s ban something that never happened.
The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.
Fuck the CAQ gov
The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.
This is most likely not the case. It’s very much not a newsworthy thing, but Muslims will occasionally just do one of their daily prayers on the side of the road/in a convenient corner, and this law empowers the police to harass them for doing so.
By far right you also mean the muslims who pretended a protest was just a public prayer event in the middle of the street and arguably caused this law to be a thing.
By far right I mean actual asshole that stab people and not a protest made against a law
I love it. Public prayer shouldn’t happen at all.
The problem is not if it should or shouldn’t happen
The problem is that it will not be enforced equally between religious communities and Christian poser asshole
It’s racism with more steps
What bothers me about this perspective is the implicit assumption that everyone who thinks that public displays of religion should be banned is actually motivated by racism, rather than recognising that somebody can be against this for non-racist reasons.
The context made it so that people conflates the two.
Medias and public debates pretty much always framed the issue of religion in public as a racist thing (in order to get more views) instead of only talking how the CAQ government targetted non-christian religions with their bill.
Sure, you can be against it for authoritarian reasons as well. Disturbing.
Religion has been used time and time again to justify committing atrocities and still used as such today.
There is a legitimate debate to be had about the religion’s place in a society.
I don’t really see how that’s related. Even if it were motivated by racism, that’d be equally authoritarian to any other motive, since authoritarianism is about ceding rights from individuals to the government and it doesn’t matter what the motivation for that is.
Fair enough: regardless of whether racism is involved or not, there is an authoritarian bent to this law. In my opinion.
That is not push on a non-racism way in Quebec. Like I said they don’t want to use the law equally, they want to use it specifically against Muslim.
And so far, from my perspective (that is a confirmation biais), no one debate the idea without a racist undertone
That’s my issue as well with the bill. Just look at the crucifix at the Assembly. They didn’t remove it, they just moved it outside the room. If the intent of the law was really to remove religion from the public space, it wouldn’t have been a debate about keeping the crucifix in the Assembly.
It’s not racism with more steps. You don’t even know it has not been enforced improperly. It’s a lot easier to enforce enforcement than it is to stop people ruining the world
Praying doesn’t ruin the world. Just like having a party, or a poetry slam, or Shakespeare in the park.
It’s behaviors that cause health or safety issues that are the problem.
Praying in PUBLIC is like having sex in public. Don’t.
So someone praying before a meal is an equivalent obscenity?
Sorry, can you expand on the ways prayer is like sex? Are people praying with their dicks out in your vicinity?
It’s personal and private and children shouldn’t be exposed to it. It’s not wrong, and you can do it, but keep it away from me and mine.
Why…? This isn’t much better than, say, Iran’s morality police.
Religion is like sex. You can do it in your home and maybe even designated enclosed places in groups, but you should never do it out in public—and under no circumstances should you ever involve children.
Ah, yes, [thing] is like [completely different thing]. You can believe that as much as you want, but you haven’t explained why your beliefs should be enforced on others via state violence.
Do you believe that people should be able to have sex out in public for everyone to see? And, why Do you feel the way you do?
No, because it’s people are almost universally made uncomfortable by it. It’s not like there’s a segment of society whose values and beliefs entail having sex in public. That still doesn’t support your point. I could make the exact same argument for Iranian hijab laws.
People are uncomfortable with it explicitly because religion made it so.
Monkeys will fuck right in front of us and not give a shit.
I would say about the same number of people are offended by profanity in public as they are religious acts in public. Moreover, I would estimate the number who are offended by sex acts in public is much higher than either of these. So, for the sake of other people’s sensibilities, shall we ban public profanity?
I believe that public display of religion makes enough people feel uncomfortable that it was banned in Quebec.
Let me ask you this, why do you feel that you should be able to practice your religion in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable? And a follow up question, don’t you think that you should be going to the designated spot for this?
I certainly don’t think we should ban religion in general. That’s crazy talk. I just don’t think we should be forcing things onto other people. Do you?
Here in Coquitlam, our parks get flooded with public prayers at noon. It makes me uncomfortable as someone who moved out of sharia law country.
Which parks exactly are being flooded with people on prayer mats?
If you tried that in Mundy, you’d likely get hit in the head with a frisbee.
Most of the other parks I know of in Coquitlam don’t have enough flat space to do such a thing, being filled as they are with trees and trails.
Tri Cities? Sure… there are also people doing yoga, going for prayer walks, sword dancing, and many other things from many cultures. But none are really flooding anywhere.
Town Centre park. Maybe it was a specific event or something, but it was happening.
So this is something that you saw once or twice ever?
Nothing wrong with public prayer, even a large gathering. I’m an atheist, and as long as no one is causing a health or safety issue, fuck it.
Well I don’t feel very comfortable in a space like that personally.
live and let live. your discomfort is all your own.
Then don’t be in that space?
So you feel the same when a bunch of people are meditating? Same action, really.
Lived in Coquitlam for years and I have no idea what you’re talking about.
It’s recent, didn’t used to be a thing.
Coquitlam, British Columbia? No they don’t. That has literally never happened. Not even once.
