Every canadian should switch to Organic Maps for national security purposes.
Feels like we’re being politically raped, and it’s really pissing me off.
Yeah, they elected a rapist so…
I mean I knew Americans weren’t great at geography, I didn’t realize it was this bad.
They’re done this globally apparently. They just got rid of the provincial park option and defaults all government operated nature reserves, of any government, as “state parks”.
Seems very shortsighted and with a disregard for other countries. Extremely confusing move by google.
yea, ‘state park’, as in ‘operated by the state’
I can see why they did this, but its really stupid, especially at a time like this. i’ve reported half a dozen parks.
But “the state” at issue here would be Canada. A provincial park isn’t a state park since we have national parks too and they’re separate entities.
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There was no reason to do this other than stay out of Trumps retaliation zone. It is wrong to say operated by the state when it is operated by the province.
My theory is that some asshole at google thought it was soo much to keep track of what every government globally calls their government operated parks and nature reserves, and just wanted a blanket term for it and went for “state park”, with no consideration for how itd piss most countries off.
Cultural colonialism
I can’t tell whats more annoying: if they did it out of malice or indifference.
Either way, the cultural homogenizing effects of mass social media is a mistake and must be fought against. Countries that primarily speak English are at the greatest threat of this. If I had a magic genie I’d wish that Canadian’s native language was anything other than English so people’s minds wouldn’t be so easily poisoned by all the dumb bullshit media the US produces. There are genuinely people in Canada who believe they have Second Amendment rights.
I’ve been saying this lately, but Canada as a whole needs to emulate what Quebec is doing to protect its cultural identity. Limit American media coming into the country. Defend and cultivate our unique cultural identity at all costs.
Anyone that says Canada is not distinguished culturally from America is ignorant. I am a dual citizen who has lived in and loved both countries. Just because we are neighbours, mostly white, and speak the same language, does not make us identical. We have a different social fabric. The biggest difference is that America is a extremely individualistic society, and Canadians are a collective society. I’d call us socialist, but that word immediately turns off the listening ears of Americans as they have been programmed since McCarthy to reject socialism in all forms – even though America has dozens of socialist programs such as social security and food stamps. To explain socialist concepts to Americans you have to use synonyms. It’s like feeding a dog a pill covered in fucking peanut butter. Gotta “trick” them to help them because they just don’t understand otherwise. I don’t wanna trick anybody I just wanna help but stupid fucking billionaires got these idiots convinced socialist concepts are gonna destroy the country. Oh no! We made your medications cheaper and allowed you to unionize so you can get better wages and job security! So evil! I swear, if you changed “Union Dues” to “Employment Insurance” they’d be all aboard.
Anyone that says Canada is not distinguished culturally from America is ignorant.
This one struck me particularly delightfully because i’ve been getting into Letterkenny of all things and you very clearly do. Hell i can see that as an aussie,
Should add, that probably sounded incredibly puerile, but most of our english-speaking country media is still dominated by the uk and US (although NZ is making inroads) We don’t get much Canadian stuff down here, the last big one was due south and that was very pastiche.
I love me some Letterkenny. While it is a comedy, it really does an excellent job at highlighting what being Canadian means. I really need to watch the spin off, Shoresy.
If you’re interested in more media that helps you understand what being Canadian is all about, I’d recommend listening to some of the most iconic Canadians musicians of all time: Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Gordon Lightfoot, The Tragically Hip, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, and The Band. You’ve almost certainly heard their songs before, but listen to some of their less popular music.
Here’s some specific songs that I am fond of, and feel highlight Common Canadian Sensibilities:
- King Harvest (Has Surely Come) by The Band
- Dance me to the End of Love by Leonard Cohen
- In View by The Tragically Hip
- Bobcaygeon by The Tragically Hip
- Signs by Five Man Electrical Band
- Carefree Highway by Gordon Lightfoot
- If You Could Read My Mind by Gordon Lightfoot
- Illegal by Corbeau
- Universal Soldier by Buffy Sainte-Marie
- Til I Am Myself Again by Blue Rodeo
- (You’re A) Strange Animal by Gowan
- The Rest of My Life by Sloan
- Money City Maniacs by Sloan
- The Consumer by Stompin’ Tom Connors
- Helpless by Neil Young
- Heart of Gold by Neil Young
- Life Is A Highway by Tom Cochrane
- American Psycho by Treble Charger
- Truth Doesn’t Live in a Book by Ben Chaplan
- The Night Pat Murphy Died by Great Big Sea
These showcase a variety of genres and locations within Canada. We are a big country with such a beautiful mixture of experiences that allow for such wonderful music to be produced.
I doubt it, its the same issue with google changing Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America recently. Its a USA thing, all other mapping systems still have it as Gulf of Mexico because they aren’t bowing to trump and elon. A state and a province are not the same, provinces have less autonomy than a state.
oh, thats 100% what happened.
“should we vary what these are called by country?”
“ehh, that would cost like $10,000 of developer time around the globe, just standardize it”
No its the same as the recent Google move of renaming Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America, it is not easier, it just appeases trumps new mandates. Open Map systems around the world already include terms for Country/State/Province/territory, etc. Its a tag label in a program field.
Pretty sure this change was from November, but it’s an issue now because of the Cheeto
Online articles say people have screenshots from a few days ago as of Provincial and now it says State Park, so even if google did make a back end change before January then the timing is odd for it to be showing changes now.
No one here is on Trump’s side, so I’m not defending Google, but it is common parlance to refer to the government of a nation as “the state” even when the nation has no states.
They have a separate category for national parks. This is specifically referring to sub-national governments.
Except we had terms prior for google and openmaps to consider actual state vs province because provinces are a different type of designation in a country. I.e. Canada has provinces and territories, and are not fully autonomous like a state. This is google purposely changing a system to suit US use, while other map systems maintain the preestablish parlance.
Yep. Its not technically wrong to call them state parks, but still fuck’em that is our PROVINCIAL park.
Maybe a small cultural hill we are on right now but we give us enough of these hills and suddenly we lose any semblance of cultural uniqueness.
Oh, 100% agree.
I’m just saying I understand WHAT they were trying to do, even if it stepped on a cultural landmine. As I said, Ive reported about a dozen parks now myself.
half a dozen
Fucking Casual. :-P
I fully expect they’re gonna close my google account based on the amount of work some poor underpaid kid now has to do. I think I got every park in my province - already a herculean feat - and the one next door. It’s a lotta parks. I’m a little crazy.
ooh, hope you did BC too
I keep adding to it, a couple here, a couple there.
Odd, I just looked up a famous national park in the UK and it’s listed as ‘National Park’
Yeah, it’s the regional (sub-National) parks affected.
I see, we don’t have such things over here. Thanks for the explanation.
Canada really needs to develop its technology to get off of oppressive American tech. We need to work with other countries and develop our own tech to combat this. Absolutely insulting. Just a little “oopsie” after over a decade of not having mislabelled parks? The stink is showing.
Open source options exist. We just need more people using OpenStreetMaps and shit.
As much as i try to update OSM with local knowledge, there’s no way to keep OSM reasonably up to date without automation tools.
I’m not sure how OSM can replicate whatever tools google uses to constantly update open/close hours, new/dead businesses, bus stops with schedules, etc.
Atleast in India, Gmaps isn’t updated on local info either. OSM is barren in comparison.
There’s maps.cz, somehow has more local data (like hiking trails).
This is all just crowd sourced no? Like after I visit a place google will ask me a bunch of questions about it (eg. “Did they sell X here?”).
A government funded utility that utilizes regional GIS and aerial mapping would go a long way. Google’s got the upper hand on directions and traffic reporting though, so that would take more time to make effective. A lot of that is genuinely due to the number of users that exist on the platform though. I think if you tried to implement similar location data analysis for government infrastructure, people would be up in arms at the idea, despite being perfectly happy to provide the same data to Google.
It’s unfortunate that Google is as prevalent a default service as they are, but it’s hard to ignore how good a service they offer, and how long the development period has been to get them there.
Yeah people have to start using OpenMaps more, and OSMAnd app alternative for navigation
Yep! I recently created an account with https://www.openstreetmap.org/ and started mapping my local area. Fuck Google.
I have been using the StreetComplete app that ties to that. It is actually helpful because I noticed some bad information on the local maps that was very easy to correct in the app.
Yeah! StreetComplete is great! They really make it easy to improve the maps. It’s even motivated me to get out and walk more so I can complete the little quests.
Relevant communities:
just scrape the traffic data, it’s what they would do.
The geodata and related open source technology to edit, review, and host it is already available from openstreetmap community
We have. Only it’s not well known, because of Google’s monopoly.
Then let’s start naming them and putting them out there. If they’re just maps but we need guis for apps on these, then it’s a great time to start that process and get developers in on it, preferably open sourced if possible.
My guess is there would be lots of developers willing to work on a project like this to help distance us from America.
May as well start calling temples “churches” and change all speed limits to Mph since it seems we’re in a “being wrong” contest.
Can you please go burn down the White House again?
Jesus fucking Christ already!
The orange butt plug and fElon need to keep their fucking hands off Canada.
I’m not seeing this at all.
Provincial Parks in BC are all still called ‘xyz provincial park’.
If you explicitly search for ‘state park’ all the provincial ones come up, but there’s nothing in any of their details mentioning ‘state’ in anyway.
/edit: found it.
It’s subtle, but it’s there.
Mount Robson Park from both search and maps:
They don’t let you specify in the ‘edit suggestion’ what it should be; but they let you add images.
/edit submitted one for every park in BC.
Since we are renaming things, why not abandon the America noun to designate the USA?
That would please millions on Americans from many countries that calls themselves Americans since they are referring to the continent.
Congrats. It’s a lot of parks.
Looks like they have not changed all of them yet
Example:
Man, all these tech giants keep making convenient “mistakes”…
Just checked and sure enough, nearby provincial parks are labelled ‘State Park’
I wouldn’t be surprised if the orange utan asked Google to “make a mistake” on purpose, to float the idea and see what would happen.
The app is showing provincial and national for me. I’m in NS and have a few around the city and they aren’t mislabeled from what I see.🤷🏻♂️
Either I’m the odd one out or they changed it back.Edit: found one, how have you been reporting this?
Just says Park for me?
